Strv103 wrong reload speed

[Necronomica]

@Fluffy_Bucketles

The 103 had 2 transmissions in a similar sense that it had the 2 engines.

Not from what i have been able to find.

( Technology of tanks : Ogorkiewicz, Richard M : Free Download, Borrow, and Streaming : Internet Archive Page 263)

Both engines are connected to the same output geartrain, i think the diesel might have had an automatic variable transmission as an extra step in-between it and the geartrain but i’m not fully certain, i’ve also seen some images that i’m not sure if i can share. Either way it’s almost impossible to hit one thing without also hitting a lot of the rest of the components as well. Especially from the front.

Here is a video where they lift the entire powerpack out of the tank (timestamped to 9:30):
https://youtu.be/i0yLpP2LQwE?si=q5KOv65BT85-cQJl&t=570

At 11:37 he says “And these two engines, they are combined in the gearbox in front of both engines”

[Fluffy_Bucketles]

Yeah, I double checked some stuff and I read a shoddy translation and a source of dubious value. Indicated that it was separated to left and right hemispheres, but looked up a diagram and you’re definitely correct. Would not be the first time, won’t be the last.

[Necronomica]

Happens to the best of us :)

[Lewin_Schaedler-psn]

systems missing/not working (and other things) from my view:

hullaim is not working, the 2 seperate engines as stated, three second reload, accurate velocity and penetration as stated, commander sight is missing its fcs strv103a strv103c, implemented clutchbrake maneuver system, commander copula rotation not working in 3rd person strv103a, fixed ribbed armor of the tanks strv103a strv103c, heat grating (fence) that would actually work against heat on strv103c (imagine), not dying to fire because you ran out of fpe (most bullshit and unrealistic thing on s-tank series yet), incorrect powerpack placement in strv103c (sits too low in tank),
modeled autoloader would be nice to see, wrong 3rd crewmember labeled as “loader” should be radio operator or driver instead, missing ability to lower ground clearance strv103a strv103c (not sure about zero series prototype)

might add more to the list if more comes to my mind

also, it would be really nice to see strv103b in the future, it they could group all the tanks (strv103a - 103c) in a folder, instead of the tanks being foldered with centurions now. and of course strv103D prototype as event vehicle, however theres little to no info on the tank and the only prototype made sits at arsenalen hidden from the public

[Necronomica]

@Lewin_Schaedler-psn

hullaim is not working

This works for me, what issues are you having?

@Lewin_Schaedler-psn

the 2 seperate engines as stated

Sure.

@Lewin_Schaedler-psn

three second reload

Reload times are up to DEV’s discretion.

@Lewin_Schaedler-psn

accurate velocity and penetration as stated

Sure, if sources can be found and provided then make a report :)

@Lewin_Schaedler-psn

commander sight is missing its fcs strv103a strv103c

Do you mean the module in x-ray or the functionality? because the functionality and game mechanic is there.

@Lewin_Schaedler-psn

implemented clutchbrake maneuver system

I don’t know what this would mean in terms of game mechanics.

@Lewin_Schaedler-psn

commander copula rotation not working in 3rd person strv103a

This works for me.

@Lewin_Schaedler-psn

fixed ribbed armor of the tanks strv103a strv103c

What do you mean?

@Lewin_Schaedler-psn

heat grating (fence) that would actually work against heat on strv103c (imagine)

I’m having no issues with this, could you please provide an example of when it hasn’t worked?

@Lewin_Schaedler-psn

not dying to fire because you ran out of fpe (most bullshit and unrealistic thing on s-tank series yet)

Huh? what do you mean?

@Lewin_Schaedler-psn

incorrect powerpack placement in strv103c (sits too low in tank)

If you can prove this then please report it :)

@Lewin_Schaedler-psn

modeled autoloader would be nice to see

Sure :) Detailed internals are planned for a lot of tanks, not sure about which ones though or if the 103 ones are included in those plans.

@Lewin_Schaedler-psn

wrong 3rd crewmember labeled as “loader” should be radio operator or driver instead

Sure, can be reported.

@Lewin_Schaedler-psn

missing ability to lower ground clearance strv103a strv103c

If you have sources it can be reported :)

[Lewin_Schaedler-psn]

@Necronomica

This works for me, what issues are you having?

try tracking a moving enemy tank on uneven terrain

@Necronomica

Reload times are up to DEV’s discretion.

ok then

@Necronomica

Sure, if sources can be found and provided then make a report :)

this has already been applied to apds of strv103-0 and strv103a they have 358mm pen point blank and 1500m/s velocity compared to centurion 350mm pen point blank and something something 1470m/s velocity. but strv103c apfsds has exact same penetration of 337mm (dont quite remember pen?also dont remember exact velocity rn) as other the other swedish centurion with this apfsds. Why?

@Necronomica

Do you mean the module in x-ray or the functionality? because the functionality and game mechanic is there.

no, you cannot fire the gun via commanders view

@Necronomica

I don’t know what this would mean in terms of game mechanics.

basically, faster turning of the tank while on the move, a rapid turn to engage enemies faster

@Necronomica

This works for me

doesnt rotate 360°. does on strv103c tho

@Necronomica

What do you mean?

the armor is bugged, sometimes it gives a flat surface for apds, heat, etc. for easier pen, sometimes it adds 700mm of armor. its unreliable and needs fixing

@Necronomica

I’m having no issues with this, could you please provide an example of when it hasn’t worked?

the “fence” doesnt work ~80% of the times and heat easily passes through. whats the explain here?

@Necronomica

Huh? what do you mean?

i didnt formulate this enough, its a issue with all vehicles generally. on s-tank series, the first penetrating shot has already destroyed the fuel tank up in front the transmission. 1fpe charge gone. the second penetrating hit into the tank sets the tank on fire. please explain how the remaining diesel is able to burn for so long and kilm the crew behind 30mm armored plate within seconds? trash game mechanic

@Necronomica

If you can prove this then please report it :)

already reported long ago, no attention

@Necronomica

If you have sources it can be reported :)

gave up after the 4th report

also, now i remember something more, when having hullaim on and ur driving, then ur braking to stop the vehicle, when it stops the gun continues to go up vertically, and only then lowers again to where you are aiming. doesnt happen when hullaim is turned off for some reason. this killed me countless times, basically it acts like a tank who has a heavy gun who swings like shit when you stop

[Necronomica]

@Lewin_Schaedler-psn

try tracking a moving enemy tank on uneven terrain

I tried in test drive, no real issue. At most the vertical doesn’t “catch up” as fast as the horizontal so you have to aim a bit diagonal to be on point. But other than that no other issues. What issue are you having?

@Lewin_Schaedler-psn

this has already been applied to apds of strv103-0 and strv103a they have 358mm pen point blank and 1500m/s velocity compared to centurion 350mm pen point blank and something something 1470m/s velocity. but strv103c apfsds has exact same penetration of 337mm (dont quite remember pen?also dont remember exact velocity rn) as other the other swedish centurion with this apfsds. Why?

No idea. You can bug report it here (just search a bit first so that you don’t report something that is already reported and known about): (Gaijin.net // Issues)

A guide on how to report bugs can be found here: ([Navigation] Technical Knowledge Base | War Thunder Wiki)

@Lewin_Schaedler-psn

no, you cannot fire the gun via commanders view

Ah, then i missunderstood what you ment. Report it as described above.

@Lewin_Schaedler-psn

basically, faster turning of the tank while on the move, a rapid turn to engage enemies faster

So generative steering sort of? That isn’t a thing in the game at all for any tank. Many are asking for the mechanic though.

@Lewin_Schaedler-psn

doesnt rotate 360°. does on strv103c tho

Ah, then one of the two is wrong, i don’t think anything was changed on the cupola between the A and C. If you can find evidence of one of them being wrong then report it as described above.

@Lewin_Schaedler-psn

the armor is bugged, sometimes it gives a flat surface for apds, heat, etc. for easier pen, sometimes it adds 700mm of armor. its unreliable and needs fixing

Wouldn’t that be how it would work IRL as well though? Or am i misunderstanding something?

@Lewin_Schaedler-psn

the “fence” doesnt work ~80% of the times and heat easily passes through. whats the explain here?

I’ve never seen this happen and can’t get it to happen in the protection analysis. Hence my confusion.

@Lewin_Schaedler-psn

please explain how the remaining diesel is able to burn for so long and kilm the crew behind 30mm armored plate within seconds? trash game mechanic

Subjective and applies to all tanks.

@Lewin_Schaedler-psn

already reported long ago, no attention

You can message a Technical Moderator to ask about an update for the report.

@Lewin_Schaedler-psn

gave up after the 4th report

See previous answer.

[Lewin_Schaedler-psn]

@Necronomica

I tried in test drive, no real issue. At most the vertical doesn’t “catch up” as fast as the horizontal so you have to aim a bit diagonal to be on point. But other than that no other issues. What issue are you having?

aiming brother, aiming. sure i can keep the gun on target, but i cannot aim precise at all. i dont really get how you keep defending the hullaim mechanic, sure its much better than it was years before, but it still is nowhere perfect. in world of tanks the strv103 aims just as smooth as every other tank

@Necronomica

So generative steering sort of? That isn’t a thing in the game at all for any tank. Many are asking for the mechanic though.

basically, hope to see such a mechanic in the future, this game has much potential afterall

@Necronomica

Wouldn’t that be how it would work IRL as well though? Or am i misunderstanding something?

well, its supposed to act like some sort of spaced armor, the “ribs” are like a seperate piece on top of the 40mm plate, you can see for yourself how the armor reacts in this facebook Redirecting... video where they fire slpprj m/66 (?) at it

i have bouced and tanked apfsds i absolutely shouldnt have, while irl 3BM22 fired from a t72 went straight through the armor plate of the strv103c and exited at the rear of the tank…

@Necronomica

I’ve never seen this happen and can’t get it to happen in the protection analysis. Hence my confusion.

weird, in my experience with over 400 battles with strv103c heatfs goes through like butter. it works sometimes, but thats a rather rare occasion. also the “fence” just falls off after it has been shot 2-3 times which is …interesting

@Necronomica

Subjective and applies to all tanks.

any consideration of making this more realistic in the future?

@Necronomica

You can message a Technical Moderator to ask about an update for the report.

how and where can i ask this?

[Necronomica]

@Lewin_Schaedler-psn

aiming brother, aiming.

Could you be more precise? What EXACTLY is the issue with the aiming?

@Lewin_Schaedler-psn

in world of tanks the strv103 aims just as smooth as every other tank

…

@Lewin_Schaedler-psn

well, its supposed to act like some sort of spaced armor,

Yep, I think this is just a symptom of the volumetric calculations War thunder does for all penetrations, i don’t think there is going to be any reasonable way to change this.

@Lewin_Schaedler-psn

video where they fire slpprj m/66 (?) at it

M/61 (Mentioned at 2:30 in the video), very interesting video, thanks for the link! :)

@Lewin_Schaedler-psn

i have bouced and tanked apfsds i absolutely shouldnt have, while irl 3BM22 fired from a t72 went straight through the armor plate of the strv103c and exited at the rear of the tank…

The issue here is likely that WT counts where the point of the projectile hits and not the sides of it, so IRL if for example a APDS hits the “rib” just a small bit under the tip it angles the projectile up. In game that counts as a hit with the tip of the projectile and so just count it as extra thickness. which means it should also ads the same thickness to APFSDS. (not entirely sure about this though, a “fix” could be to apply some sort of “angle” modifier to have some shells bounce easier on those specific “ribs”).

@Lewin_Schaedler-psn

weird, in my experience with over 1500 battles with strv103c heatfs goes through like butter. it works sometimes, but thats a rather rare occasion.

I only have 300 games in it, but still, not something i’ve experienced. If it happens again feel free to link the replay here in this thread :)

@Lewin_Schaedler-psn

also the “fence” just falls off after it has been shot 2-3 times which is …interesting

Yeah, that’s the same for many other armor pieces on other tanks as well. Likely a game convention thing.

@Lewin_Schaedler-psn

any consideration of making this more realistic in the future?

No idea, i have no connection to Development or any of those operations, Game Masters handle in-game chat and name bans. :)

@Lewin_Schaedler-psn

how and where can i ask this?

You can find all the teams and the areas they handle listed here: ( Who is who and Reporting Procedure ) . Make sure to not message any of the Seniors first as you likely wont get an answer. If you don’t get an answer from the first in the list after a few days then add a few more Moderators to the original message instead of sending a new one, that preserves the date of the message and doesn’t make it look like a new request. Then just keep adding more of them from the list every few days or so until you get an answer :)

[Fluffy_Bucketles]

@Necronomica

Yep, I think this is just a symptom of the volumetric calculations War thunder does for all penetrations, i don’t think there is going to be any reasonable way to change this.

Adding some minor vertical deflection element from these armour elements could resolve it relatively easily. It would also not introduce much computational intensity. That aside, it would also be nice if they fixed the Jerry cans working to stop heat charges.

@Necronomica

I only have 300 games in it, but still, not something i’ve experienced. If it happens again feel free to link the replay here in this thread :

Don’t have too many games with it, but HEATFS goes right through it 90% of the time, making it a bit infuriating to play in my experience. Couple this with limited capacity to react because apparently Oceania isn’t considered a worthwhile customer and thus does not receive even basic server infrastructure, can definitely see where the person is coming from. Even just the fact that HEAT charges that miss any integral components of the tank will just set it on fire repeatedly.

[Necronomica]

@Fluffy_Bucketles

Adding some minor vertical deflection element from these armour elements could resolve it relatively easily. It would also not introduce much computational intensity.

Yeah, my thought was the same:

@Necronomica

(not entirely sure about this though, a “fix” could be to apply some sort of “angle” modifier to have some shells bounce easier on those specific “ribs”).

@Fluffy_Bucketles

That aside, it would also be nice if they fixed the Jerry cans working to stop heat charges.

Should be reported if they don’t.

@Fluffy_Bucketles

HEATFS goes right through it 90% of the time, making it a bit infuriating to play in my experience.

If that is the case then a report should be made.

[Lewin_Schaedler-psn]

@Necronomica

Could you be more precise? What EXACTLY is the issue with the aiming?

strv103

i found an interesting possible solution here: Community Bug Reporting System

@Necronomica

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what. its the truth.

@Necronomica

i don’t think there is going to be any reasonable way to change this.

Lewin_Schaedler-psn:

well, maybe by fixing the volumetric mechanic as a whole? its still very messy

@Necronomica

You can find all the teams and the areas they handle listed here:

thanks!!! :)))

[Necronomica]

Oh, that aiming is likely the best you’re going to get with hull aim.
The alternative (when they tried to make it more “snappy”) is this:

WT || Strv 103-0 - Hull Aim Rework Fail

And that is AFTER their first “fix”, that is the improved version (before the next improvement we have now) of the aim.

@Lewin_Schaedler-psn

well, maybe by fixing the volumetric mechanic as a whole? its still very messy

That would require an entire overhaul of the entire game and all of the vehicles in it. I don’t think we will see this any time soon but we can hope.

@Lewin_Schaedler-psn

thanks!!! :)))

No problem, happy to help ^^

[Lewin_Schaedler-psn]

@Necronomica

Oh, that aiming is likely the best you’re going to get with hull aim.
The alternative (when they tried to make it more “snappy”) is this:

yeah, that looks very painful. its much better nowdays, but it can still be better. did you see the bug report link i edited in just now in my previous comment? i believe thats a good idea and could fix it Community Bug Reporting System

@Necronomica

That would require an entire overhaul of the entire game and all of the vehicles in it. I don’t think we will see this any time soon but we can hope.

i really hope, my hopes have not died yet ^^

[Fluffy_Bucketles]

@Necronomica

Should be reported if they don’t.

Hard to report a known function that I personally have found little in the way of documentation for other than just “It’s there because it works”. Even if we did, it’s Swedish mid tier so it would get the “Functioning as intended” response. Just like chally 2’s side armour.

[Necronomica]

@Lewin_Schaedler-psn

missing ability to lower ground clearance strv103a strv103c

Just found this btw:

( https://youtu.be/qvI6tqj6obA?si=IS4_VI4_4PP-qL6C&t=360 Timestamped to 6:00)

Roughly translates to “ground clearance” or “clearance height” and then the option of “normal” (switch down) or “low” (switch up).

No direct information on how much it actually changes the ground clearance though.

[Lewin_Schaedler-psn]

you can see in this video https://youtu.be/No0nQXmXTSg?si=x-F8YXry5vysoLeR at 7:40 the suspension of strv103c being raised, maybe i can find something more about the information how many centimeters of difference it gives to the height

but i do have these pictures so you can try to see visually

normal height:

lowered:

front view:

[WARTURTLE09]

@AlvisWisla

For autoloaders with programmable speeds [which the Strv 103 has], any speed slower than its safe operating limit is a real speed.

They would never do 2.8 second spam irl either. That would just ruin the barrel.

[SteneB]

I have sent a short report regarding reload speed and use of m90S ammo. Link below…
https://www.perplexity.ai/search/create-a-report-covering-the-s-TWAuGj.mTJezZ_2HMat2Zw

[Jadenbetter-live]

Ive done ammo, reports are a few months old
It affected all kinetic rounds for the 105mm except m/80
the raising and lowering i have some stuff from the RAC trials but i wasnt sure if i was being daft at the time
ive made plenty of hull aim reports, namely that it takes too long to recentre and that it doesnt actually recentre
theres other minor things such as the smoke grenades exploding too close