Your post got Russian main’d. A shame considering how the comparison exposes an evident case of light vehicle compression
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Because we have this almost same exact thread almost every week, and this one is the most lazy I’ve ever seen with just bloated stats that dont matter theres no substance to even respond to. He might as well of just said “Title” and it would have been better this than this. Not to mention one of the deleted posts pointed out he hasn’t even played either of them.
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I don’t, soo? I just want to understand why they are same BR as one of them is clearly better, i try find anything on reddit and didn’t find anything in favour of 4090, just people saying pay to win Russian bias, and you do same.
If its a perceived problem posted from different players, where’s the problem?
I have to remind you that forums are made to debate, not to increase your own confirmation bias on how things perform ingame.
That’s a fair point that i can surely concede.
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armor, altough the difference its minimal really cuz even with the angle ur gonna get penetrated by 30 mm apfsds just like the 2S38, technically more survivable than the 2S38 but really, its not expected to survive more than 30 mm apds just like the 2S38 isnt expected to survive more than 30 mm apds
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Because the thread will play out exactly the same as the countless ones you can find in the search bar for 2s38 with hundreds of posts with people bashing the 2s38 and the same old arguements on both sides again.
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2S38 to 11.0 - #212 by SlowHandClap
Ok Move the 2S38 Up and HSTVL Down - #171 by Ion_Protogen
Can we finally uptier the 2S38 to a BR where it sits with it's contemporaries or will it always be an underteired meme? - #103 by TwitchyNGL
And many more.
Alvis will be the only one saying why the 9040 is 10.3 and the rest of it will just be argueing with him or bashing the 2s38. There I spoiled the next 100 posts.
Edit: flagging my post for spam when the whole thread is just another 2s38 OP thread is ironic.
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why do you think the 2S38 its at 10.3?
I just checked, guy have 800+ battles in 2S38 and 0 In any Sweden vehicle, you should change your attitude in this thread as your voice is clearly in favour to one side.
Because the stats are awful, werent we trying to find someone with over 2kd in it last thread and couldnt even find anyone?
I dont even have 1kd in it because I bought it when I was awful thinking it was OP and just got slammed every match.
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how is it exactly awful or what makes it awful?
Mobility, gun depression, survivability. Its one of the easiest light tanks to kill or disable after modules update, all the crew is upfront. Giving it even nato levels of gun depression would be grounds for moving it to 11.0 imo.
Its not awful, Its very strong. But there is a reason its at 10.3 and not 11.0+ like people want. If it had depression and mobility sure.
Bad/new players are going to be taking tanks headon like I did and just dying horribly. People hate it because its annoying to die to since those very same bad players turn your death into one by a thousand cuts where you just have to sit and watch for 5 seconds as you cant do anything instead of just dying instantly.
And again surely someone here has a 2+ kd in it and can tell us why it should be moved up. If its such an OP monster there should be plenty of people with stats to back it up.
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mobility, its on par with BMP3. and its still faster than MBT’s, ofc its still slower than competitor light tanks like PUMA wich compensate with high HP per ton, gun depression that dosent need much explanation its an disadvantage, yes its one of the easiest ones to kill its still a light tank at least it wont get 50 cal’d frontally
- Versatility: The 2S38 is highly versatile, capable of engaging various targets with proximity-fuzed shells and APFSDS, and can fire continuously without reloading.
- Mobility: While not exceptional for a light tank, its mobility still outperforms most MBTs, fitting its aggressive flanking playstyle.
- Armor: Armor is poor, as expected for a light tank, but the pontoons funny enough provide limited protection enough to stop .50 cal rounds from the side at over 200m on a flat angle.
- Survivability: Its crewless turret improves survivability; even if hit, it’s not a guaranteed kill unless ammo behind the sight is targeted. It’s slightly less armored than the CV9040, but both are vulnerable to the same threats, making barely any difference.
those are my points regarding the 2S38, reallistically speaking the 2S38 depends on playerskill at the end of the day, but the 2S38 overperforms it main competitors at 10.3 under the excuse that the competitors have more armor wich is not enough to make a real difference, except for a few like PUMA wich do have much better armor to make some difference altough rn its still missing most of the armor
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Not saying the 2s38 its op but the issues that are normally described are pretty normal for stuff for light tanks aka, lack of armor the only exception being PUMA since its a pretty unique light tank/ ifv, i do believe the 2S38 should be at least 10.7 and only 11.0 max since it really dosent deserve higher br’s
Been playing the 11.0 puma recently and some of the stuff i survive is insane. Shame the gun kinda sucks, if it had better rof I think it would be solid. And also it needs its bugs fixed badly, reparing turret breaks loading completely and getting ammo racked makes you lose both your tracks.
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yeah ofc the thing will survive most stuff that normally light tanks wouldnt survive but my current issue rn with the PUMA is that crewless turret its useless atm cuz of the ammorack bug
There are no Russian mains prior to your post, nor there are any defenses of Strf 9040C’s BR position.
My stance on the Strf 9040C should be 10.0 is well known.
Talk with Sternlos, he dragged you onto this. And if anything, i wasn’t pointing at your specific activity, i was pointing at other’s comments and respective likes.
I feel like the puma survives better than any mbt Ive played lol.
To answer your other post, like OP pointed out I have 800+ games in it not because I love it, but I do grind hard I’ve finished all of russian ground and helis this week, spaded 16 lineups from 3.3 to 13.0 both ground and air in russia, 4 tanks 3 planes in each, and the best way to get that done is to spam out 10.3 lineup like some mental patient while listening to music.
The one thing imo that holds it back the most is the poor gun depression combined with the high profile and no hydro suspension for some reason even tho its based on the bmp3? This just makes you forced to expose way more of yourself taking shots, limits where you can play it etc.
Like I said ive been playing 11.0 germany and i’ve seen like maybe just a sliver of the top of an hstvl and they had depression to shoot me behind a hill. 17 degrees of depression besides the obvious benefits means a lot for survivability. 9040c doesnt even have great depression but its still 50% more than the 2s38.
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To give an in game example when I play small normandy east spawn I like to do the south flank to the church overlooking both enemy spawns and outside of the town. First stop there is a fishbowl looking over C. With 5 degrees of depression 80% of that bowl is off limits and im forced to peak it from 1 area which if i want to take shots at people near the church I have to expose the front of my vehicle instead of just the turret. If there are people in the buildings south of the church wanting to get to my posisition because its a great spawn camp posisition for them I can not look over the hill facing them to contest and have to pop smoke and run or just sit there and wait.
If i can move to those buildings when its safe I cant stop and take shots north because depression wont allow it, i just have to fight to the church. Once I finally get to the church I get a great view of both spawns and reversable cover, but unlike russian mbts which dont have any problems here with the same depression, my gun is higher, so i cant even take shots at people on the road outside of town, or close to the church if pushing me.
You could say play a different path/posisition but these maps are small and mostly figured out. Going the beach flank has the same issues but worse, and town fighting is just yuck, and its a light tank you need to flank to do well, but a lot of the flank routes are depression blackholes for it.
All of these spots I can’t depress or peak work fine in my 9 degree depression German vehicles. This is just one example pretty much all the good flanks that exist like this get screwed over or limited hard by bad depression.
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ignore all that garbage, why does the 2s38 get ir tracking while none of the CVs have it despite having it irl?
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Bug report it?