Atleast they could give ozelot radar without that spinning marker to strela:
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That was reported years ago (in March of 2021 when it was first added), the report was closed down on the basis of; “no, it’s correct”.
Only after numerous follow up reports and us forcing ourselves on the devs and mods about this, did they actually correct it. We had to fight tooth and nail for 2PL to get the proper resolution. Funnily, it was only really changed after we proved it to the devs that the way they think of thermal camera generations is incorrect by… pointing out 2PL and BVM have the same camera resolution in real life, yet one is 3rd gen and the other was 2nd gen in the game.
Yet its main round is still underperforming (reported in July of 2021), nor does it have the APFSDS it actually uses in real life (DM63 - also reported 2 years ago).
On the other hand, i’m just waiting for Strela to finally be moved to 10.0 :)
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As long as the type 81 stays at 10.0 you’re going to wait for a long while
One vehicle staying at X BR doesn’t prevent another from moving to an Y BR.
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do you realize the x and y are the same in this scenario?
Okay? That is irrelevant and quite frankly you’re only trying to change the goalpost. The thread is about the Strela, not the TAN-SAM.
If you want to talk about the Japanese one, make a different thread where you lay out why it should be moved up.
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how is it irrelevant? the tan sam outperforms in every measure, so they shouldn’t be at the same br
Because this thread is once again, about the Strela and not the TAN-SAM?
We have the M1A1 AIM and 2PL sitting at the same BR, AIM outperforms the 2PL in every category but it wasn’t moved up. Your entire logic just now fell flat on its face.
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yeah and im talking about the br of the strela…
except they are quite comparable, even more now that the pl got 3gen thermals.
Sure. So talk about the Strela, and why, after its massive improvement, it shouldn’t be at a higher BR than Imp. Chap or Ozelot or Type 93, when its better than all 3 in terms of missile performance, with Ozelot being the only out of the 4 of them to have a search device (and it paid the price by being 9.7).
except they are quite comparable, even more now that the pl got 3gen thermals.
Strela and TAN-SAM are also quite comparable if we’re going with this logic. Both have missiles that are nearly undodgeable, and contrary to popular belief, Strela’s AAMs are quite resistant to flares so even without IRCCM they can catch people.
In case you haven’t noticed, the change from 2nd to 3rd gens is nearly unnoticeable - and you’re still ignoring how AIM’s firepower, armour and survivability are far superior… oh wait, you got neither.
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yeah and the gap in performance between the tan sam and the strela is even larger, the difference between the strela and the type 93’s missile is 10g, 8g compared to the mistrals, while difference betwen the strela and the tam sam is 15gs, but it’s missile is also faster, longer range, have a better overall dual seeker and also have thermals
nowhere even close to the irccm of all the other manpads
btw i do think that the strela needs to go up, but it should’t be anywhere close to the tan sam.
Except there is a problem dm63 in my Country isnt used alot its mostly older shells Yes i am polish
That’s just statcard performance which is irrelevant. The devil is in the details; Strela’s AAMs have much better deflection, and start off slower than Stinger/Mistrals - meaning they have better manouverability right off the bat, their track rate is higher etc.
Is it inferior to the TAN-SAM? Yup, but on the other hand, it is, as of now, so much superior to Imp. Chap, or Type 93 or Santal - none of them get a contrast seeker, all 3 still suffer against helicopters, and their missiles are basically incapable of taking out anything that isn’t afk.
nowhere even close to the irccm of all the other manpads
Even IRCCM missiles can be spoofed, point is that at 9.3 there aren’t that many jets with CM’s, even less so in downtiers, there Santals or Type 93s IRCCM is a useless “advantage” for them.
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You are forgetting about one thing, Type-93 imp etc. are using man pads while strela is using full-fledged surface-to-air missile
You’re joking, right? Poland has no older APFSDS left (they were running on reserves with DM33A1 back in 2015 already), and specifically ordered DM63/A1 for the Leopard 2A5 and 2PL to replace those. Now then, look at what is the top shell for the 2PL in the game (DM43 - never used by Poland…).
However the munition availability is an IRRELEVANT argument, because if we follow it to a T, BMP-2M will lose its APFSDS totally.
The type 93 have photocontrast, the strela have now around the same the a looking range agaisnt figters as the santal, but also photocontrast is much easier to dodge, and you dont even need to use countermeasure, just going down will make the missile fail, the only advantage that photocontrast offers over the santal and the chaparral is a better locking range agaisnt helicopters.
except it isnt, you can still face jets with flares at 9.3, you also play agaisnt 10.3…
You’re free to prove that Santal and Strela are now “comparable” (last I was told that Santal is a piece of garbage, but hey, it’s your burden of proof).
Better locking range against helicopters is a HUGE advantage, that was and still is (for many) the main downfall of IR based SAMs.
except it isnt, you can still face jets with chaffs at 9.3, you also play agaisnt 10.3…
Chaff spoofing IR/PC seekers…
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the santal have much better detection suit, more missiles and the mistrals pull less but they also have a better range
i meant flares
it is still quite situational, most of the time you wont be able to use photocontrast on a heli as they fly low, and there the ir seeker of the strela isnt able to pick them over a km or even less
The Type 93 and 81 are imaging infared not photocontrast, their seekers are superior in every way to the strelas, but in game they are identical which should not be the case.
Photocontrast in game is immune to countermeasures, that is a giant boon over other comparable IR missiles currently.
The strela should be 10.0 as of now, it’s performance at it’s BR is comically better than it’s contemporaries at that bracket, its not even a contest anymore.
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