It’s Chinese tieba. There is constant herd mentality/starting conflict/making controversial takes on there and many of it isn’t moderated very well. Think of reddit but worse.
The narrative was spun and before anyone could stop it, many already saw it and got angry.
Eventually it died down into acceptance, Chinese MBTs have been and will remain horrible ingame, so why not let VT-4 go to Japan just to see if Gaijin might buff it.
Well from my view is this, Don’t want your tech in other nations trees simple don’t export it.
Feel like people often forget it goes both ways too. Every single country in WT benefits from export / lease etc.
Same person who will get angry at their thing going to someone else, will beg snail for someone else’s thing exported to them lol.
You can’t please everyone, War Thunder brings an incredibly diverse community with diverse personalities, to say the least.
And this is where I go, so where does C&P stop sub trees, actual serviced aircraft or what ?
If you say C&P is bad then that says to me all C&P is bad.
In which I next go, Well what is C&P and how would you class C&P ? lol
Yeah that’s true.
Always feel like these topics always cause infighting between the die hard nationalist types who exclusively want domestic things, and those who want as much content, from as many avenues as possible for their tree.
Literally impossible for snail to find a middle ground there.
Gaijin could try their best to avoid it.
Then again earlier yesterday and today there was still an ongoing argument about India being in UK.
I think the middle ground is easy.
Is it a significant gap in a tree that cannot be filled by any means with something domestically operated ?
If not, then consider an option from a sensible alternative source
if yes, add the domestic option.
Where sub-trees fail is when they add something that can already be fullfilled with something similar natively or where what they add doesnt fill any existing gaps.
I see your point, and I can’t fault the reasoning in it.
My only hangup is when, for example, people lambast the Hungarian sub tree under these same arguments. Because, there’s no real need for a ZSU57 / BTR80 / T72 etc.
As far as I’m concerned, if they’re going to commit to adding a Subtree/nation, then every single thing of that country, copy and paste or not, is fair game for inclusion.
I don’t like the idea of cherry picking what aspects of a countries military history are worth adding or not. Either full commit or don’t commit at all.
Perhaps.
I think blanket additions of a Sub-TT just doesnt work and/or is overly unncessary. Like F-16s in the French tree, yes that sub-tree operated that aircraft, but it wasnt necessary, nor did it really bodge any meaningful hole.
I think there is room for both. To add unique and interesting fillers that benefit the tree without corrupting the tree or taking away from it. There isnt room for every single Sub-TT vehicle to be added nor do I think they should be, if they did that, they might as well add the nation as a standalone.
I get you, I just think with Subtree’s, if the snail is going to deny these countries the possibility of ever being an independent (or a significant figure in a collaborative / pact style tree), then they owe it to the people who wish to play this country, and care for its history, to put all of its possible stuff in one place.
I’d be mightily annoyed if my country’s stuff was fragmented all over the place, and the mains of the tree’s where it ended up being the arbiters of what more should or should not come lol.
I very much disagree with RDF-LT being a new premium, currently the HSTV-L suffers because its gun falls into the range of a stupidly low post penetration preset, the RDF-LT would fix that along with the low ammo count of the HSTV-L with possibly having an even higher rate of fire
this would make it become by far the best light tank in the US TT, and one of the best possible light tanks in the tree, on top of this the US TT is still heavily suffering from the introduction of clickbait and does not in any way need a new premium. This kinda feels like Gaijin trying to see if they can get a sub 20% winrate.
I can see that, but there needs to be a balance.
The flipside is equally true though, I have no interest in flying or using a Mig-29K for example, but there is a massive long list of British aircraft that have yet to be added that I would love to see. The addition of the Mig-29K might interest someone from India, but to me, just takes away the possiblity of something that update and i’ll have to wait another 3 months for a chance to see something I do actually want to use. Especially as the same effect could be achieved just by applying a skin onto the a Mig-29 in the soviet TT
I think this can actually be most seen with Japan and Thailand this update. Good chance that because they are getting the Gripen C, they might not get the F-2. An aircraft they’ve been after for well over a year now. Personally I would be heartbroken if the stage was set for something like that, and instead what we got was a C&P I could have played by grinding another tree
I finally got the F-16AJ because this is the time for the F-2.
If we don’t get it because of the Gripen I’ll be mad enough to actually stop playing Japan, maybe even the game altogether.
Yep, exactly my point.Id be exactly the same if we got the Indian Su-30 instead of the Typhoon
It’s far too late now, and we likely never had it originally because the game maybe wasnt envisioned to end up here, but I think something like a Wargame Red Dragon style ‘coalition’ system could work so well in WT.
Two countries claiming the same sub tree? (I.e US + UK both wanting Canada), no problem. Let both select a NORAD / Commonwealth style coalition to get access to it.
Certain collaborations controversial? (I.e SK into JPN), no problem, Blue dragons coalition.
Some smaller countries not having enough stuff to be truly independent? Not a problem, give them different coalition options to make lineups.
Diehard national types wanting to exclusively play with that smaller country, even at the cost of diversity and depth? No problem, give them an extra spawn on the limited stuff they have etc.
Sorry, but Gaijin have failed to consider the feelings of Australian and Canadian players. It’s not just British mains asking for Australian and Canadian vehicles to be added to the tree, it’s Australian and Canadian players simply wanting their vehicles in one place.
Why should Australian players have to grind 2 trees just to play all their vehicles? Because you can’t just bring the M1A1 AIM by itself, you need a lineup. The same applies to Canada, why should those players be forced to grind the 3 trees to play their vehicles?
Also, I don’t understand the argument for an Australian Abrams and Canadian Leopards not playing similar enough to the British Challenger when Gaijin gave the British a T-90 which is an even larger gap in playstyle.
Also, sure India and SA don’t have enough for an independent tree, but you could easily make a combined BRICS or Commonwealth of Nations tree. Saying you can’t do something when there’s obviously solutions is a fallacy.
This could’ve been something interesting.
Add a new folder (or two) to each tree and let players select one of the available nations to fill the folder as their subtree, if they want one. It allows players to chose which nation they want as their subtree while also not bloating the regular tree.
There’s plenty of ways they could, theoretically, go about handling these Subtree / Subnations better, than just fragmenting them all over the place, often with contradictory logic to where they end up.
I try very hard to understand the snails perspective, but when I see M1 AIM in the US tree, and F111C in the UK tree, under completely contradictory logic to why they ended up where they did… I give up.
The issue is Canada and Australia(likely New Zealand too(but it unthinkable they won’t be with Australia)) are “appeasement” nations.
If we look at every addition post Leo issue, they all seemed to be related to something else(heck, even some of them older additions feel the same way)
F-111C - Was given because Gaijin wouldn’t be giving them the F-111K.
Ram II - Due to the US being Skink. Why do I think this? The UK is one of the three operator nations of the Ram II if there was any real plans for the UK getting it would have had it years ago.
As for naval additions it likely due to the fact it hard to justify them going elsewhere we’ve been lucky they are in the same place.