Man, Sandnado’s look very pretty
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I mean it sounds bad but that’s all you can really do you wont be able to get them before they drop their bombs or missiles. The best you can do is prevent rearming. Btw this happens with both NATO and Russian jets it isn’t just Russian jets.
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Oh I know it affects both sides, I just use Su-34 as example as it’s the worst offender.
The whole SPAA / CAS / CAP dynamic and interaction at top tier is in critically bad shape right now for everyone.
I’m more just coping over how I feel obligated to do objectively reckless things, to make the best of a bad situation lol.
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Fair lol, I know people typically call the Pantsir OP but in reality the current state of top tier ground battles shows that every country has an issue dealing with both the amount of CAS as well as the newer very long range weaponry, if you are without a fox 3 carrier.
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To bring this topic back to RR though, to say I’m extremely excited for this improved AA blog they mentioned was coming soon in the Q&A would be the understatement of the year lmao.
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tbh I find the SM3 to be arguably scarier due to the far better camera and presence of thermals making long range shots easier. plus the MAWS and CM count let the SM3 actually reliably avoid missiles long term.
I’m just upset that CAP is so expensive, and nobody has an equivalent to the Pantsir.
Hell even if the ADATS just had smoke grenades it would be possible to counter Kh-38s. But it doesn’t, it has ESS only, so I either have to find hard cover right out of spawn or suffer.
Would be nice if Fox-3s weren’t so expensive to spawn in with…
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It also doesn’t help that players seem to not enjoy playing CAP duty and allow enemy CAS to wreak their team because they wanted to bring CAS themselves rather than something more useful.
I would love to do CAP if it didn’t cost 700 SP to spawn into a F-15C with AMRAAMs.
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The issue though, is that CAP is somewhere around 10x more expensive than SPAA at top tier and there is no gurantee you will have something to shoot at. I would consistantly jump into CAP if I could, but you simply cant always
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they dont even need to do it intentionally though, in any fight within 10km of the battlefield if the plane on russias teem goes up almost at all they will bring the person they are fighting into pantsir effective range and line of sight
I like playing cap. But its super expensive to spawn in, there’s always an AA piece shooting at me (and not the CAS bombing him) and, well… I’m not playing ground realistic battles because I want to fly.
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AAMs should not affect spawn costs, while AGMs and GBUs should cost way more than they do now
I agree that it needs to be lowered, it shouldn’t cost so much to play CAP since (at least if you’re playing Japan) you have pretty much have no alternative play lol. I love my F15JM to deal with CAS, but when theirs nobody left to shoot down I pretty much become useless lol.
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because if you dont follow it they will fire a r73 at you from close enough that its impossible to flare, or if you manage to avoid that without going up they will have so much position on you that you are dead
I don’t think the Pantsir is OP, I think it’s now the bare minimum of what’s necessary.
It’s just the fact it’s so much better than what anyone else gets, whilst being on the same team as the CAS that only itself is able to counter which make it seem OP.
If tomorrow, Gaijin dropped a UN painted Pantsir in everyone’s lineup like a strike drone sort of thing, no one would be calling it OP anymore, it’s only OP in comparison to the crap everyone else has lol.
Which is why I’m so excited for these better AA they promised :)
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I’ve already complained enough about the ADATS, so I won’t anymore tonight. But often times the only way to counter CAS is to spawn CAP. The problem is the enemy spawns SPAA to stop me from doing CAP, so I have to either avoid them or kill them.
If I want to try to kill them, it costs ~900 SP (which is fair, I am taking a CAS loadout)
If I don’t, and try to avoid them, it still costs me ~700 SP to spawn CAP. It should cost at most ~550 SP imo.
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and if they know to radar slave the r73 even preflaring wont work
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I just hope they reduce the cost by a lot to spawn in with a pure CAP loadout, so maybe GRB can start to feel like GROUND Realistic Battles again and not a game of what team can spam the most amount of CAS first.
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let me explain the only 4 jets that can be in this scenario
Su-34 - Has no HMD, flies like a pig, would take forever to get an angle after a climb. Easy to avoid R73
SM3 - Has no HMD, Flies like a brick, takes even longer to get an angle after a climb. EASY to avoid R73
SMT - Can’t outrange SPAA to begin with, but for the sake of argument let’s count it. It will only get a chance to fire 1 R73 after a climb… and all you need to do is pre-flare and the R73 is cooked
Su-27SM - Same as SMT above
We are talking about 2 jets that cant use HMD and fly like bricks, and two of the worst jets at top tier at air combat.