Re read the chat before posting another comment. I tried to clarify 3x by using “follow me”, and once by pinging his exact location on the map.
Which would be as if I used a radio. I was already fleeing from one fighter, it was likely he called out my pos, and asked for backup. I assumed the incoming fighter THAT WAS NOT RESPONDING was an enemy, and any LOGICAL person would.
I’m also not banned.
But nice trollin.
I’ll just ask the mods to step in if you wish to continue to troll
Would be cool to have AWACS aircraft flying around but they would become easy targets, and maps are too small still. Unless they are implemented as a virtual assistant type of AWACS, as in, it doesn’t have a physical presence in the game, it just exists in the game world for IFF and Datalink.
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Still a VERY good idea to be 100% sure what you shoot at
Either you’ve got some real unique lobbies or you’re just exaggerating entirely.
This makes no sense. A harrier flew between you and an enemy you were chasing? On the same altitude? Into your flight path? Into the missile?
You also mentioned you were in a MiG-23. A subsonic harrier almost certainly could not just appear out of nowhere unless you were already behind it.
Even if what you said is true without any exaggeration, the odds of this happening are next to zero. Not worth changing the entirety of sim over. TKs happen, own up to them.
More than likely just new players firing on the first plane they see. They have to learn somehow.
Then that’s just tough luck. Pay the SL and move on. I’ve had a harrier fly headfirst into an AIM-9B that literally had no means of locking onto him. Hell, the replay sensor mode view showed it was still locked on the enemy. That’s just bad luck. It happens. Move on.
If TKs are happening enough for you to make a forum on it, then you should probably stick to realistic battles, with all due respect.
You sound like a gaijin sympathizer. They quite literally take your silver because of a game mechanic that isn’t there when it needs to be.
You like gaijin a lot apparently have sided with them, but the people who actually have played sim a lot, and understand what I’m getting at like @Ion_492 and so on, see that the core issue is we need an implementation of team communication that doesn’t rely on the non knowledgable players, or the ones who are lazy.
Until it happens to you, (or your clearly ignoring instances in which is has occurred) you won’t understand. Therefore you have no experience to be speaking about the topic.
Likely you, and the other two comments previous to your own are the ones who are falsely flagging the topic comment, merely because you don’t like it.
Lmao, so we’re Gaijin sympathisers cause we don’t agree with you? This is becoming a whole new level of cope at this point.
Also I wouldn’t exactly call it “false flagging” when your post has actually been taken down lmao.
False flagging is when you flag a post even though it isn’t ToS. Merely because you disagree.
Where are the mods to save us?
And yes, I do think you are. The only person who benefits is the company taking the silver. Clearly you don’t understand that. Sorry I’m pointing out an actual issue instead of being a troll.
@Forum Moderators
They don’t take my SL, because I don’t teamkill :)
Ehh I wouldn’t call it that. They make plenty of questionable decisions but it’s not like I have any other alternative. It’s a fun game, but there’s a lot I’d change given the chance.
Also a bit ironic to say I don’t have much sim experience considering you’re the one who has TK’d enough to need to post about it :P
Read my previous posts. I don’t even look at chat 90% of the time and I don’t teamkill. Even in BRs without radar or in planes without IFF, it’s not too hard to figure out what you’re fighting.
It has happened to me. Not a whole lot, but it does happen. I’m not ignoring the instances, I’m just saying it happens infrequently enough with me to the point where it’s a non-issue. If you’re struggling with it, take my advice because it obviously works.
That’s a bold claim. I haven’t reported anyone, so let’s clear that up.
You really didn’t provide any substantial rebuttals here except some insults. Want to try again?
It’s not hard to not teamkill, and if you know that certain missiles are flare hungry, don’t use them on planes that know you’re there. Your argument of luck only works to an extent, when by volume luck is largely eliminated. You can only get lucky so many times.
Comms help, yes, and I’m not denying that. But if your reliance on them hasn’t done you well, have some failsafes like I’ve already mentioned. Situational awareness will be huge, and it’s something you should practice.
Changing sim’s IFF entirely because you have a teamkilling issue is next-level entitlement. So many people in this forum would agree with me on this.
Even if they do change it, spaghetti code is more than likely to make more bugs in the rest of the game. We’re well aware of this because it happens every update.
Oh, and before you call me “unskilled” or “inexperienced” I usually place in the top 2 on my team in sim. One of my more recent matches was a 14 kills/1 death in about an hour, with 12 of those being players and about half of that being with guns. I play on a mouse and keyboard. I do not have fancy eye trackers and I usually don’t play with a VR because it’s a pain to set up. I play a lot of early jets where your only way of identifying targets is with your eyes and the aforementioned logic.
If I can do this, so can you.
Teamkilling sucks when it’s not your fault, but SL isn’t exactly hard to earn (especially in sim, even more so with boosters). Again, if teamkilling is a consistent issue for you, it’s not the games fault. Use my tips and you’ll minimize your TKs. Getting one less kill isn’t the end of the world. If it’s really such a big issue, engage at closer range. That’s how I started.
Insults? Really… another “he insulted me” when I literally didn’t. Merely said what side you were choosing.
Yes comms are extremely helpful.
I typically play 11.0 and above in which you typically see a big white smoke trail before you can identify the aircraft. So you’re assuming I’m merely talking your br, when I stated in the topic, a MiG-23ML which is 11.3 in sim.
Team killing isn’t a consistent issue. I just get annoyed when it does occur, because usually it is not my fault. I have had a couple that were.
«If i TK you it’s your fault, not mine»
You gotta be trolling at this point…
Also, how thinskinned are you?
Love how you only cherry-picked a few minor points to respond to :P
“I didn’t insult you, I only made a negative assumption about you because I don’t like what you’re saying.”
And grass is green. Haven’t we established this?
Contrails? Use your radar from a distance. Don’t blame it on IFF not working. Keep your radar on until you are attacking — flying cold all the time is useless. You’re forgetting that I play the game too. Before the contrail change, I’d even intentionally fly high to bait people into climbing to me so I could see them easily.
We’re gonna agree to disagree here. I personally think you’re having difficulty owing up to your mistakes, but that’s unimportant now.
I have a game master agreeing with me here. Situational awareness above all. Use my tips and you’ll have less instances of TKing and more general awareness. Trust me.
Don’t bother replying until you’ve done this.
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I love your sense of “he must be bad at the game” while having no previous knowledge of me. That is an obtuse and downright unfair behavior. Assume everyone is average at least. Im not bad in sim in the slightest…
Even though i dont have Vr, and eye tracker, or Hotas
I think you’re very weak at simulation, and you’re dissociated and lost in the game. You demand something from your players that isn’t written down anywhere, only in your head. Everyone has to play the way you want. This creates an image of you as if you know everything, ignoring that someone might not yet know all the unwritten rules of simulation, or simply doesn’t care because they don’t have to follow the unwritten rules. Your first post, and every subsequent one, and this last one, only confirms how weak and unempathetic a player you are. More humility.
If your first view of anyone is a mission trail then it’s probably too late. Stay low, everyone is much more visible against the sky.
I mean if you intentionally do that then yes it’s your fault. However, you fired an R60M on a plane that knew you were there, while in a much faster MiG-23. Don’t rely on missiles if you have a shot for guns. Not necessarily blaming it on you, but it was an accident. Just don’t come down here complaining to Gaijin for what was obviously no one’s fault.
He’s obviously pretty experienced though since he agreed with and expanded on what I’ve been saying this whole time. Situational awareness is and always will be the best strategy in sim.
I’ve engaged with you enough on the forums to get an idea. You’re not bad by any means, but you’re pretty stubborn. All i’m doing is giving some 3rd person, unbiased commentary. You are naturally going to have a bias towards yourself. Don’t have a reliance on missiles has been my argument the whole time, along with situational awareness.
I feel like most people on the forums are above average. We shouldn’t call the average player someone who’s brand new. Sim is a surprisingly tightly knit community and most sim players have a considerable amount of experience by the time you get to early jets.
Can’t buy skill, my friend. I have them but I sometimes prefer mouse and keyboard for casual play, especially since my VR battery barely lasts enough for half of a match.
I promise you I mean no personal attacks here. Just own up to mistakes or don’t complain about what is generally a non-issue. I’d be more than happy to make a video on my POV in sim with my thought process and how I have virtually zero TKs, even in tight situations if it could be of any aid to you.
The guy I killed had just about the same amount of sim matches as I do.
400+ you should know how to play it.
And you have a “team” right? We aren’t playing solos in WT
My brother… I have skill… I literally am pointing out a core element of sim that is missing.
Also I’ve never met you before today…?
Also, you don’t know as much as you think, i described the entire situation 3-4 times now previously. Go re-read it.
2 MiG-23s me and the team mate, I’m at 60~ meters fleeing from an enemy jet.
Another jet (the other MiG 23) appears to be racing for me. I am fleeing back to the af, and he’s coming up on my 2-3 o’clock rapidly, my radar couldn’t detect him since MTI is automatic now. I swap to irst and lock him while also calling out his position on the map followed by a “follow me”… he doesn’t respond… I try again… doesn’t respond… I try a third time, and he is extremely close now… nothing… so then I fire an R-24T, and about 1.5 secs after I fire I see his blue tag appear.
That is plenty of effort which shouldn’t leave me at fault. Had he been an enemy, I likely would’ve died because I waited so long to fire. He had plenty of time to respond, and has plenty of experience to know that I was calling his POS out.
Like others have said, some people turn off chat, which means you are in the dark. If you cannot communicate to me, after I have attempted to communicate to you, that leaves me in a position to assume you’re an enemy.
As I said previously, if they Add a “Radio check” or, a “Radio nearby” that’s auto puts a little blue dot above friendly targets within X amount of distance, I would’ve never fired at him. His inability to respond, whether it was purposeful or accidental in fact does make him at fault.
That, exactly, and in this thread I really have so far only participated as a player, and offered my personal views only. Just that I agree with someone doesn’t mean my or as a consequence his view is more correct than an opposing view. I’m very aware and reminded again and again of my own shortcomings or lack of knowledge.
And I wouldn’t call myself a very good player when it comes to “meta aspects” (maybe too old, to stubbornly clinging to what I image military aviation should look like in a sim…), but then I have the delusion that I’m a quite good pilot with a lot of experience an military aviation knowledge - something of not too much importance in the context of the game however, I am afraid.
Also, I think we have good tools and methods available, that help prevent TK’s. But those tools and method for sure could be optimized and expanded - but (again, my personal view here) not at the expense of realism and authenticity.
But then there’s also this:
As a GM however, I can of course also point out the official stance, and that is that all TK’s are forbidden, should be prevented, can be punished and - quite relevant to this thread here - that it’s the reponsibility of the shooter to prevent any Team Kill or Team Damage situations.
Since I’m assuming you don’t know, I am a USMC Veteran, I take realism seriously. In the military caution is used to a great extent as well as confirmation. It really depends scenario to scenario, but in pretty much all cases, you can use your radio to figure out where friendlies are.
Tools to reliably prevent tk’s usually start being a thing past 12.3, and there is a lot of radar equipped aircraft under that.
But again, an un ID’d target in a combat zone is almost always considered hostile after no contact has been received back.
I’m not denying that you have skill. I’m just saying that your proposed element isn’t missing.
We have, about the A-10 in your proposed sim BR change topic.
Glad we can establish that you’re at multipath altitude.
Any flare will also make an IR missile miss at front/side aspect, especially if you cut the burner – not forever, just for a second while the missile misses.
Did you happen to call for backup before? Just curious, wouldn’t change the story much.
Shared fault, I guess. If I’m not sure, I would much rather go defensive than attack. I pretty much always do this, and lo and behold, sometimes they’re friendly.
Kid named situational awareness:
I guess, but it’s also a crucial part of sim to know what’s nearby. I see a lot of room for this to either be abused or wreck sim altogether.
I’m done arguing at this point. This won’t go anywhere if you don’t admit your mistakes too. I’m going to refer to my original point that I have virtually 0 TKs in the past 6 months and maybe 5 (on the high end) in the last 12. Again, I am a PC player on a keyboard and mouse who places #1 or #2 most matches and who has been barely playing sim for a year. I have given you tried-and-tested ways to minimize TKs. 200k SL sucks but it’s not the end of the world. I am not a “Gaijin sympathizer” like you have called me, nor do I false report your posts. I have even offered you help.
Only 1 can be true:
You minimize TKs as much as possible by not firing when you are not sure it is an enemy.
You fire when uncertian and risk higher rewards for a potential hard loss with a TK.
Pick one and stick with it. Sim is fine for 99% of players.
Thank you for your service.