Well, btw, you need to slow down because there are maximum speed limits to releasing the bomb :P
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It is a bad plane at 9.7 because of decompression at all BRs, and not just 13.0. It’s decent in sim, but awful in air RB, especially when the Harriers, Mig-21S, T-2, F-104C, or the F-100 are all better in numerous ways at the same or a lower BR.
Right now, I fail to see how it isn’t worse than the F-104C. It’s fast, but not fast enough, it lacks flares and missiles entirely, making it impossible to defend against any missile coming towards you. It’s flight performance is not great since it’s an overweight and underpowered Mig-23, and 9.7 is a bad BR to be.
It would be good if it had flares, but without them and nothing to make up for not having them, it is a bad plane.
Personally thinks that F-104A/C are taking special treatment, unlike other supersonic counterparts nearby.
What if MiG-23BN got a pair of R-3S?
Personally I think the Mig-23BN is fine at 9.7BR. When it comes to ARB matches I would bring the gunpods and/or some rocket pods and hunt the 104s and other supersonics. Rocket pods were good for replacement flares even against A-10s. Just gotta be creative if you don’t want to ground pound in it.
Flares would matter if the only threat wasn’t the 10.7 A-10 that can’t even get to it.
The Mig-23BN is faster at low altitudes than the F-104C.
Wtf is 13.0? I don’t understand your point here, have you ever played a MiG-23BN? Germany’s ground attack aircraft, which doesn’t even serve its original purpose? Because you have to get close to the battlefield. It has no air-to-air missiles, no AGMs, no flares, and is one of the most vulnerable aircraft to SPAA at this tier. It stands no chance against any missile-carrying vehicle, both SPAA and other aircraft. It’s even worse considering it’s almost impossible to be matched in a lower BR. You’ll always be matched against tier 10+. The only thing it can do is force frontal attacks and hopefully kill the enemy, then take a missile in the back. In dogfights, it drains more energy than delta-wing aircraft, which already lose a ton of energy. Go play it and you’ll understand. If you’ve played it before, it must have been a long time ago, because it’s currently food for missiles of all types.
@AlvisWisla
I think the problem isn’t with the Mig-23BN, it is the br - the most compressed br.
E.g. Russia with R-60 missles and pretty good radar missles at 9.7-10.3 make it very difficult at these br’s, not only for the Mig-23BN but also for a lot of other planes.
Vehicles like the Yak and mig-21’s need to go up, that will solve a lot of these type of issues.
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Yet another compression thread. 9.7-10.7 and you see J7D hilarious but NO it cannot be 9.3.
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You do realize your post is claiming that Mig-23BN is one of those under-BR’d vehicles.
Standard R60s don’t mean much when you can force a head-on and pass by at mach 1.17.
And yes, 13.0’s compression which causes under-BR’d vehicles all the way down to 10.7.
@Bebê_Reborn
All of those reasons are why it’s 9.7 and deserving of 9.7.
I was down-BR’d most battles in my Mig-23BN the other day.
Your posts keep claiming that you’ve never played the Mig-23BN via projection.
Okay, you’re right, everyone else is wrong, only you are right, the Mig23BN is not missile food, i always see MIG23BN getting 1 to 2 kills per game, I don’t think I saw that you were the one playing with him, forgive me along with all the other 99% of players who have used mig23bn for not being as good as you, the tactic you use against missiles is to take a rifle with the pilot and shoot them manually when you hear a missile?
What happened to your KD? Don’t you say he’s good? Why do you only have 4 planes shot down in 135 matches? Or are you going to tell me that you only farmed ground targets and are claiming he’s good for some reason I don’t know? that way you end up contradicting yourself even more.
@Bebê_Reborn
Not sure why you’re claiming to be the only correct person…
According to Mig-23BN players they are earning more than Rafale and F-111F players.
Evidence:
Spoiler
Also the vehicle is a strike aircraft, KDR is 100% irrelevant on Mig-23BN. Look at survival rate, which is over 75%.
Just because it’s an attack plane, does that mean you just have to ignore everything in the match and just focus on ground targets? lol man, is that why you think it’s good in 9.7? Does this mean that if I take the Squadron ME 262 and use it at 9.7 only farming ground targets, it should stay at 9.7, so it’s good at that? Did you just realize how absurd this is? But never mind, I think it’s hard to understand why an airplane is good or not for some people…
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@Bebê_Reborn
Until a point base bombing a statistic on the player card, KDR will never tell the full story.
Mig-23BN is among the fastest if not the fastest base bombers at 9.7.
It’s also the fastest rocket striker.
The Mig-23BN is good at printing RP and SL.
Using a strike aircraft purely as a fighter and being mad it doesn’t perform like F-111C or Ayit is not a helpful complaint.
Ahh yes, even because most matches are won just by attacking the ground, but anyway I won’t discuss that subject any further, If you’re okay with mig23bn being one less player in the match then so be it…
That is more a gameplay itself’s problem which forces strike aircraft to anti-air combat to contribute to winning.
Every Strike jets are forced to play ‘awful downgraded, overated fighter jet compared to true fighter counterparts’ thanks to Gaijin.
As you claimed, MiG-23BN is a bland and meh aircraft in A2A features.
But his claim is also partially right, in its current role, it (base bombing), which can’t affect victory itself but guarantees a fair amount of rewards.
TLDR: MiG-23BN itself is not too good, but just a fine attacker for base bombing and killing some ground targets. She does better on that than Bucc S.2 or Yak-28B in 9.3BR. That is why she became 9.7BR.
But it just doesn’t suit meta as other strike jets do.
Special treatment as in they went from one of the funnest planes at 9.3 to one of the worst planes at 9.3 based on a false bug report?
This is a problem of ARB itself, not about specific planes. But nevertheless, at this BR you can win battles with groundpounding.
Yes, that was their special treatment. F-104A/C’s former flight characteristics should’ve been 9.7BR long ago.
No?
I think they are still better than Su-7 or Yak-28B, or Yak-38. Far behind for being the worst.
If you keep flying fast, you still can not be touched by many subsonic jets.
If you believe that it is a false report and you have proof of it,
Submit a bug report to fix it.
Every pencil enthusiast will love you.
Lastly, this topic is mainly concerned with MiG-23BN, so we should stop discussing F-104A/C any further. Shall we?