Stock grinds at top tier are attrocious in current meta POLL

Napalm on a sock. put it in a plastic bag.

that is their business model sadly. They rely on frustration, so people buy their way to the top / get the mods they need.

I dont think there is a way around that even if it would be way better for us players. Its a free game and this is part of the deal

specfically talking about the F117 i have no clue how IR suppression works on F35 as its classified

could’ve profit off people hapiness instead but fucking russians wcyd.

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i know its the most toxic busineess model out there honestly like EA level toxicity forcing you to pay in a free game

definetly could give everyone a full load stock aim120As it and you still have to research the C it be far more fair

it got war thunder to the heights they are at now. The money needed for like 3k models must be absurd

splash from amraams farkours or pheonix hitting the ground is far too extreme. if an early ww2 plane can escape a 1000lbs bombs blast after dropping it from 20m with only a 1.5s fuse a 10kg charge isnt doing a thing to something at mach 0.85

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i mean theres like 90X different ways they make insane profits from the game they should be fine

thing is. A/Bs are better than C5s right now funnily enough

??? wat

aim54 rarely splashed against me its most common for R77-1 and AIM 120s and MICAs which makes the least bit of sense since AIM 54 has a massive bomb warhead to be fair

ive met many who disagree with that and yeah A/B model 120s are the best for CqC the C5 accelrates to fast for close range from what ive seen

during the free tomcat incident i was getting blown up by pheonix splashes extremley far from me. it sucked so bad.

the 54 is equal to a british GP 250lb bomb in its blast. those dont do a thing to anyone from 50m away so why does the pheonix

idk free tomcat with buffed missiles was worst event to ever happen should have just made it a skin

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the tomcat was extremley OP at the time and a free one was just horrendous to add to the mix.

it deserves being top tier free food now

the fakours are complete fiction hence why they are op

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might have changed. idk I havent really been active in terms of checking the minor updates

Idk what it is for western missiles, but it should be lower than that.
R-77 and 27er min alt is 20 m for example

I support this idea (would also add stock chaff and G-suit) with total modifications overhaul to make stock grinding less painful, though I doubt it will happen at some point knowing Gaijin. Even managed to find probably the most horrible stock grind on a 13.0+ planes with a bit of explanation why it’s awful.

Su-27SM

Basically gets access to radar missiles only at last tier. It doesn’t even get R-27R (that are already obsolete) as stock. The rest of the time you’re stuck with 2x mid ARH and 6 close-range IR missiles.

Mirage 2000Ei (CN)

Again, full ARH loadout is locked at last tier, but also locked behind a single 81k RP modification. 6x MICA-EM loadout could be easily a 3rd or 2nd tier modification.

Tornado F.3 Late


Full AIM-120 loadout locked behind a Skyflash modification, which is just obsolete and useless. It could be a 2nd stock loadout and at least made sense then, trading 2 ARH for 4 SARH in a stock plane should be an option too.