Stock grinds at top tier are attrocious in current meta POLL

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this goes for every tree stock grinds are attrocious at top tier only having 2 ammarams or mica etc in BVR meta is rather insane as you literally just shoot them off then have to go guns on for the rest of the match like how you supposed to get gun kills when the enemy is launching 15 FOX-3 missiles at your face ? with no chaff only relying on multipathing

bare minimum all top tiers should be given 4 of AIM 120A/B and have to research the rest as in current meta its a pain with only 2

that or we introduce modes for stock planes

  • yes to more missiles stock
  • no to more missiles
  • other explain below
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you can discuss down here

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Casual plug:

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Though, a lot aircraft at top tier only have a max of 4.

2 IRCCM + 2 ARH is actually a fairly reasonable and fair fit. Would be unfair for something like a Gripen to have 2+2 fit whilst an F-18 has 2+4 fit just because its got a higher maximum count

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yes and they kinda suck honestly BVR is the meta now more missiles make everything better

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they should just raise multi pathing back up it force people to stop BVR and actually use IR missiles and guns as there are some maps where straight up just cant multi path

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ngl i think helicopters need it even more as some have no missile to play with at all and u have to play at like 11.3-11.7 with rockets instead like hydra… its just pain in and out and pve is the most lame and dumb game mode for helicopters they made and then nerfed to oblivion

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Big fat no there.

It needs to be lowered not increased.

What about aircraft that cannot dogfight?

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Helis full stop need an overhaul

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please do explain why ?

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Stock full loadout of the “worst” IR missiles is something I support.
I haven’t formed an opinion on radar weapons yet.

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The ONLY reason aircraft like most of the 13.0 Fox-3 aircraft are at 13.0 is because they have ARH missiles.

if those become unusable because everyone can defeat ARH/SARH missiles again via MP with absolute ease. Whats the point of them being at 13.0.

Tornado F3 Late expected to be winning a dogfight against a Gripen A?

As it stands. 60m is way too high and unrealistic. Should be more like 30-40m for a more accurate average

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what planes cant dogfight btw almost every toptier can doghfight

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yes and there at a BR where they can rely on 9Ms tornado doesnt need to doghfight it can sit at a distance and fire IRs ive done it just fine in the F4F ICE

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  1. MP would be the same at every BR not just top tier.

  2. Rafale beats everything with ease, thanks to the best FM and best HOBS IR missiles, followed by the Typhoon. Most other aircraft would loose those dogfights. Then below that, Tornado and F-4F would loose every dogfight to the F-16/Gripen

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Then why is it 13.0?

Tornado F3 with 4x AIm-9M would only be 12.3.

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it has aim120s no ? same br as F4F ICE which is insanely strong

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Which would be useless if everyone can just sit below 100m and easily defeat them. Like it was before with SARH.

Tornado F3 vs Mig-29 was stupid because my skyflash would nose dive and then the Mig-29 would just get onto my tail and shoot me down with guns

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this is more of a compression issue than a multipath being to high

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no plane has them that low thats not a subsonic jet like a10