Um, I’d look again. There’s a space for public comments on all our Statshark profiles. You should see what I just added to yours :)
One of the interesting things about this new app, is where the previous free web version that they withdrew came with a promise from Statshark that if anyone was proven to be using it for griefing or ODLing, they would be permabanned from using Statshark at all. It could be seen as a little concerning that we see no such promise this time on the paid version.
Worth remembering that they had better winrate stats until a couple months ago, the actual winrates by match BR. Now it’s just the aggregate of vehicle winrates from service records, which is a little misleading.
The reason they had to remove that better data, we will all no doubt recall, is because their live app developer Pluspy was caught out harassing a trans person and in-game DOSsing a content creator, among other things, and he was the only one who knew how to get it off Gaijin’s servers.
Whether Pluspy has had any involvement with the new in-game viewer this time is an open question, given it’s so similar to what he made before he publicly quit the Statshark Discord. I have no idea. Certainly anyone downloading this app is taking on a degree of risk there if they don’t know more about what else this code might also be able to do to your computer and your game, but we’re all grownups here, right? (Oh. Wait…) More to my point, should this blow up again, those other cool things about Statshark we all appreciate (like global vehicle stats and performance curves) could again be put at risk. Which would be a shame. Again, I’d just like to see a little more communication and a few more reassurances (a more prominent “use at your own risk of Gaijin banning you” statement would be nice, too).
For the second time, that’s not what I’m talking about.
Again, not what I’m talking about. Stats are rarely used to counter arguments, they’re primarily used to say you’re a slightly worse player than me hence you’re wrong. In other words attacking players instead of attacking what they say.
It absolutely is, though? Don’t give them your $78 a year until you get some more answers to legitimate concerns you might have about the impact to the game, your own privacy, etc. Encourage others to do likewise, if you like. It’s just basic consumer awareness: no one’s asking for magically better hair growth tonic, we’re just asking to read the bottle before we pour it on our head.
As to whether the users had to click on a “I will not abuse this” checkmark to install it… if it had any value they would still need to repeat the words (like, on how to complain) on their Discord, which they have not this time to my knowledge.
That I absolutely agree with, I feel there was just slight misunderstanding caused by me.
The users certainly can vote with their wallets and demand communication from the statshark team; but its entirely up to statshark team to communicate and provide the reassurances.
Its fine print. It has value, trust me.By doing something as simple as having to check the “ive read the ToS and I agree with them”, it allows statshark team to act while the user being acted against cant claim that he didnt know he cant grief with the live viewer.
“Nuh uh, you told us youve read the ToS”.
Now, whenever will statshark act against paying customer on grounds of griefing its another matter entirely; one that wouldnt change much even if they did proclaim on their discord that griefing with use of live viewer is “bannable offense”, as we would have no clue whenever they did actually ban live viewer user or not.
To that end, how we could even know someone was griefing with the help of live game viewer when we cant possibly know who uses it and who does not?
So, the first time, when it was a free web app, Hadi, head of Statshark, said that if anyone brought any proof to him that someone had used the live viewer, even just to ODL (presumably by bragging about it after) he would permaban that person from the Statshark site. It was one of the reasons I had hope this could have had less of an impact than XVM.
He could say the same thing again this time. Same standard of evidence… I just think it’s significant that now that money’s involved, we haven’t seen the same statement. Yet.
just curious, seeing as you have profile on statshark (otherwise you wouldnt be able to comment) - you have access to the live viewer? if not, you think it would be possible to check whenever theres some ToS involved?
Feels like it could save us some time to go to sourve rather than guess.
For the record, I authenticated my website profile at Statshark to allow me to do some fancier searches than anonymous people. There are lots of ways to authenticate, including Google, Discord, Patreon, etc., all free.
The new live viewer is only available to paying Patreon subscribers, which I am not. The lowest giving level there is $6.50 a month.
I personally think people who are concerned about any aspect of this, rather than paying money and installing software no-questions-asked up front, should exercise the free option and ask about those concerns on their Discord first. Go direct to the source. I for one would be interested in the answers they get.
Only reason I’m talking about here is because this thread kinda turned into the thing I was worried at first about, that people were making this into a referendum about all of Statshark (which I think has some great aspects) and statshaming in general and not about this week’s new feature (the in-game app), a feature which was problematic for them the first time they tried to roll it out. Was really just trying to bring it back to OP’s point. Cheers.
I think the fact that a bad player has little to no issues fighting the vehicle is an indicator that it’s not OP, if anything. The whole reason I believe it’s not OP is cause it’s easy to counter it.
No, really no. Stats are used pretty much exclusively to just say (x) player is slightly worse so they go no opinion.
It’s just that I’d like Gaijin to do that service on a web platform and a proper ecosystem, not a 3rd party developer team which has been accused of… racism and cheating, to put two accusations midly.
Maybe it is a bit too much, but I humbly don’t want neither my stats or my performance to be related to them in any way if absolutely possible in case those accusations turn out to be real.
Though I wouldn’t mind if someone gets my stats from Gaijin’s own end.
p.s. Notice that I’m not a huge fan of the quoted CC like at all, but it’s the only one who dares talking about tough stuff about the game without many filters.
When a vehicle has much higher stats than it’s contemporaries it is a clear sign something is wrong and that the vehicle in question is harder to counter before damage has been done.
Even much larger and definitely more competitive games are leaving that to 3rd party sites, so something happening from Gaijin’s side is pretty unlikely. I understand you have concerns about people that run SS, but I doubt something can be done about that, unless some competition arises.
Your and everyone else’s stats are public and can be scraped by literally any weirdo or a nutcase out there. If scummy people are in charge of SS, then players should revolt against them personally, not the tool itself. This could lead to some competition getting on the scene that’d “steal” the users from SS.