I don’t know, I don’t care if people see how bad I am.
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Global stats on said vehicle: 1.1 K/S, 1.35 K/D
Vehicle is far from bad.
Another good usage of stats.
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Yes.
No.
It is important because it will prevent you to getting shotted with bullet named ‘counterclaim’
If someone thinks it wasn’t a legitimate argument, others can counterclaim you.
Seems your Training Plate named ‘Bad Stats’ failed to stop 5.56mm JHP, and you just got sent back to the lobby because of Thorax damage. :P
For the second time, that’s not what I’m talking about.
Again, not what I’m talking about. Stats are rarely used to counter arguments, they’re primarily used to say you’re a slightly worse player than me hence you’re wrong. In other words attacking players instead of attacking what they say.
It absolutely is, though? Don’t give them your $78 a year until you get some more answers to legitimate concerns you might have about the impact to the game, your own privacy, etc. Encourage others to do likewise, if you like. It’s just basic consumer awareness: no one’s asking for magically better hair growth tonic, we’re just asking to read the bottle before we pour it on our head.
As to whether the users had to click on a “I will not abuse this” checkmark to install it… if it had any value they would still need to repeat the words (like, on how to complain) on their Discord, which they have not this time to my knowledge.
In this case? No, I’ll give you that one.
But thinking the T58 is balanced and telling someone else they have a skill issue in the same thread, while you yourself are at best mid at ground?
Yeah that is overconfidence.
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That I absolutely agree with, I feel there was just slight misunderstanding caused by me.
The users certainly can vote with their wallets and demand communication from the statshark team; but its entirely up to statshark team to communicate and provide the reassurances.
Its fine print. It has value, trust me.By doing something as simple as having to check the “ive read the ToS and I agree with them”, it allows statshark team to act while the user being acted against cant claim that he didnt know he cant grief with the live viewer.
“Nuh uh, you told us youve read the ToS”.
Now, whenever will statshark act against paying customer on grounds of griefing its another matter entirely; one that wouldnt change much even if they did proclaim on their discord that griefing with use of live viewer is “bannable offense”, as we would have no clue whenever they did actually ban live viewer user or not.
To that end, how we could even know someone was griefing with the help of live game viewer when we cant possibly know who uses it and who does not?
That’s pretty wrong.
He doesn’t have that stats.
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So, the first time, when it was a free web app, Hadi, head of Statshark, said that if anyone brought any proof to him that someone had used the live viewer, even just to ODL (presumably by bragging about it after) he would permaban that person from the Statshark site. It was one of the reasons I had hope this could have had less of an impact than XVM.
He could say the same thing again this time. Same standard of evidence… I just think it’s significant that now that money’s involved, we haven’t seen the same statement. Yet.
based, as they say.
just curious, seeing as you have profile on statshark (otherwise you wouldnt be able to comment) - you have access to the live viewer? if not, you think it would be possible to check whenever theres some ToS involved?
Feels like it could save us some time to go to sourve rather than guess.
For the record, I authenticated my website profile at Statshark to allow me to do some fancier searches than anonymous people. There are lots of ways to authenticate, including Google, Discord, Patreon, etc., all free.
The new live viewer is only available to paying Patreon subscribers, which I am not. The lowest giving level there is $6.50 a month.
I personally think people who are concerned about any aspect of this, rather than paying money and installing software no-questions-asked up front, should exercise the free option and ask about those concerns on their Discord first. Go direct to the source. I for one would be interested in the answers they get.
Only reason I’m talking about here is because this thread kinda turned into the thing I was worried at first about, that people were making this into a referendum about all of Statshark (which I think has some great aspects) and statshaming in general and not about this week’s new feature (the in-game app), a feature which was problematic for them the first time they tried to roll it out. Was really just trying to bring it back to OP’s point. Cheers.
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Fair enough.
I think the fact that a bad player has little to no issues fighting the vehicle is an indicator that it’s not OP, if anything. The whole reason I believe it’s not OP is cause it’s easy to counter it.
No, really no. Stats are used pretty much exclusively to just say (x) player is slightly worse so they go no opinion.
It is indeed a valid point the one you’re doing.
It’s just that I’d like Gaijin to do that service on a web platform and a proper ecosystem, not a 3rd party developer team which has been accused of… racism and cheating, to put two accusations midly.
Maybe it is a bit too much, but I humbly don’t want neither my stats or my performance to be related to them in any way if absolutely possible in case those accusations turn out to be real.
Though I wouldn’t mind if someone gets my stats from Gaijin’s own end.
p.s. Notice that I’m not a huge fan of the quoted CC like at all, but it’s the only one who dares talking about tough stuff about the game without many filters.
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When a vehicle has much higher stats than it’s contemporaries it is a clear sign something is wrong and that the vehicle in question is harder to counter before damage has been done.
Simply wrong.
Even much larger and definitely more competitive games are leaving that to 3rd party sites, so something happening from Gaijin’s side is pretty unlikely. I understand you have concerns about people that run SS, but I doubt something can be done about that, unless some competition arises.
Your and everyone else’s stats are public and can be scraped by literally any weirdo or a nutcase out there. If scummy people are in charge of SS, then players should revolt against them personally, not the tool itself. This could lead to some competition getting on the scene that’d “steal” the users from SS.
French players would laugh at that.
nope
There is a difference between minor nation TT players and major nation premium players.
You are both kind of right. Stats are often used purely to statshame others, but they’re also really useful to verifying/discrediting opinions
It’s more harm than good. If something someone says is actually wrong, you can simply disprove it using factual information.
When it comes to people like Beeschurger and Pooqich, they don’t care about factual information. They just statshame constantly and that only harms discussion.
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