No worries, a simple misunderstanding that got resolved.
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I wanted to respond to this in particular.
I just don’t care enough if people run their mouths. I expect nothing from other players.
I apologize for the tone because sadly I can’t say the next sentence without it sounding hostile, when I do not intend it to be. Perhaps you just care too much over too little?
I can sympathize of course because this game can REALLY piss me off but then I just catch myself and remind myself it ultimately is not important whatsoever.
Indeed, this is a game and ultimately its not important whatsoever.
However this is a double edged sword of a statement to make - yes having such overlay is ultimately not important whatsoever because its a game so why bother adding it; at the same time why oppose addition of such overlay for people that want it if its not important whatsoever because its a game?
So id be careful with this argumentation.
I don’t mean the overlay in specific is ultimately unimportant, I mean the game itself - as all games in general - in the end isn’t worth so much.
In my opinion.
As for oppose; I oppose because I know how other people would react and I’ve seen what such things do to a community like this first hand. And being someone who plays A LOT lately (life got weird…) my stats are all over the place in every category, so I’d be one of the victims despite being an actual competent player, or at least, not one who actively drags their teams down.
completly fine.
but ultimately, its a game so it doesnt matter what it does to a community, right? :P
Again, it’s other people. And it’s the majority of “gamers.” We both know how they are. We don’t need to encourage them further. We shouldn’t give them the tools to further rain on our fun.
Tool itself isnt good or bad; its about people using it.
Funnily enough, it ultimately doesnt matter, as bvr showed in one of the comments, thing is already in beta
Doesn’t need to be proven, if the possibility is even there you should consider it.
Much the same as I said about the stats not being everything, the statshamers love goading me about how bad I am, yet I really don’t see how they are bad because I genuinely don’t care, and just play the game.
stat padding can be usually detected by checking the individual vehicle records. stat padding usually occurs at lower tanks and/or with OP tanks; if stat padder has like 5000 battles in, i dont know, BT-7 and then hes like 100 battles in BVM with 0.5 KD it is pretty much clear he is stat padding.
indeed but again, stats and data dont lie, people do. Not you, people in general.
Some people might, and often do, intenionally lie about performance of their favorite vehicle being fine or even bad when in reality its OP in hopes of either keeping its current BR in face of BR change or in hopes of actually lowering its BR in order to club more and there is simply no normal discussion possible with them.
Only rational thing to do at that point is to bring up stats, global or personal.
One recent example I can think of was someone claming that the soviet BI isnt good and should actually go down to 6.3. Some people might lie and exaggerate vehicle issues, but they cant lie about vehicle having air realistic KD of 2.0 and kill per spawn of 1.16 globally - with the monthly median for global Kill per spawn for air realistic is 0.657.
I havent checked nor I intend to check for the purpose of this conversation; and as I stated previously there is a discussion to be had about game tracking assists and other supporting actions.
Not saing you do, were just theorycrafting at this point, but again, you cant lie about your service record so it is perfectly reasonable for someone to check how you actually play if they are faced with your claim about the game.
How do you even think that is stat padding compared to just playing the BT-7 and being not so good at the BVM?
Wasn’t saying it was you checking, but as you said, people lie, and as I’m saying people statcheck…
Could be, but they aren’t tracked by current stats, so they can contribute without gaining the stats you’re looking at to deem them to be a bad player.
You keep saying that it’s not about me…
The ‘lie’ though isn’t a lie when you’re making statements based solely on your interpretation of the stats. As has been mentioned multiple times, this sort of thing will just lead to people claiming the team is junk, and bailing out. The players may not lie, but they’re going to be prejudiced and abandoned due to people not wanting to take a chance and have a proper go.
if lvl 100 player has 5000 battles in BT-7 and at the same time it is the only vehicle he has good stats with while all of his other vehicles have mid to bad stats, its clear he is using the BT-7 to statpad.
I geniunely have no clue how you perform, nor i think it would be important for the purpose of this topic as were not discussing vehicle performance, balance or tactics so I wouldnt even have reason to check.
indeed, but for example statsharks SR1 doesnt take only one stat into account, it takes several.
If SR1 is calculated from 6(?) stats, would adding 7th one change that much? (I know there are three more in form of total kills, deaths and games but these are already ultimately included in other stats in processed form). Beside obvious K/D and kill per spawn theres also average position in team, winrate and average score, and all of those are affected even by assists, caps and other supporting actions.
Alas i digress.
indeed, because people tend to get the wrong idea when someone uses “you” in conversation. English is my not first language so its easier for me to use “you” when talking generally, but people tend to take it that by “you” i mean the person I talk to. So id rather make it crystal clear than to get into pointless argument that i called someone a liar.
Im very explicit when i call out people on lying.
That very well might be true to some extent; but its not my case. As I stated previously, I want to just properly aim my focus where it is needed.
The fact of selectively using the vehicle they are looking to statpad, using an absurd 1.0 vehicle to merely do that isn’t the tell towards that.
They could use any.
So you wouldn’t try and save someone with bad stats because you don’t deem them to be worthy, or that they got themselves into it, as you said about taking hits from something sitting in front of someone prior.
This thing will be bad, no matter how anyone deems themselves to be not looking at those stats.
with all respect where did i even imply that?
yes, i find it extremely annoying i get shot by enemy that sits in the open in front of severall allies only for them to “wake up” after the fact and take him out instantly.
If i knew these people have reaction time of a dried out slug, I wouldve checked their sector too, despite doing so would add up to my “workload”.
I did not say anything about “not saving those that i do not deem worthy”. Even if i would want to embrace the extremely meta game position on the issue, saving team mates is always a net positive because one player cant cover entire map and it gives the enemy more distraction so they dont shoot at me all the time.
Ok, now that’s messed up.
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AFAIK its open source so formula can be seen by anyone, and it only makes educated guess about chance of winning based on average team SR1 rating
Sure, but that’s explicitly encouraging toxic behavior at that point - something the WT community does not need any more of.
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Geniune queation, how so.
Because sweats who already display toxic behavior will only have another splash of gasoline encouraging 1DL and “non-genuine” play.
Again - look at all these people coming in from WoT with experience with this system!
Do you really think WT - who’s community is arguably more sweaty - would be better?
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I’m not saying this system is bad, but we need to nip these problems in the bud first.
Tool is a tool, it cant use itself.
Of course some people can misuse it.
Even so, as i explained in my initial post, it doesnt use any data that is not already aviable, it would only show it faster and more conveniently.
You can already, theoretically, calculate the possble winrate by yourself.