Yeah I definitely find ingame* vs Armor pen view* in the Hanger* is not the same, I’ve found that’s because the tank ingame* is not on level ground, and the tank in the hanger* is, the game replay/Armor Pen view* for hits doesn’t account for the other tanks angle on terrain just Impact angle wich is close but not 100% to Live game shots
Problem is that personal experience doesn’t confirm it.
When i play russian tanks i die as easy as with other nations…in most vehicles at least.
EXCEPT some specific vehicles…in Russian i recall Zis5 and T34(42)…probably a few more…
And most importantly…as TARGETS i see no special toughness on Russian tanks…i recall at least as many more problems with US and German (Panther, Tiger, T26, Jumbo)
I guess each player can have his own experience and opinion…
BTW…there is no Gaijin data…but i recall win rate tables made by players and they showed no win advantage by Russians…which would be very visible if their tanks were somehow tougher…
IMHO this is more some kind of bias due to the devs nationality…which also happens on other games with other dev countries… :)
THAT SAID…it is rather natural for a person to make better “stats” for the “team” they like…even if not deliberate…BUT i think this is more visible in the vehicles performance in game vs real world performance…not on some arbitrary “stalinium”.
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Ohh come on m8, playing the Russians feels like on easy and invisibilty mode on!
Its not Stalinium but come on, the maps are totally favoring their tanks.
Second they are good in paper and since it’s a game they face none of the short comings of real life and were they should it is not modeled!!
See BMP-1&2 vs Bradley, on the game there is no exposed gunner as in real life and in game it plays much better. Same goes for the M60s commanders nested 50cal, in real life this a true + but in game its depicted like a HIT sink.
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This is fake considering their downside heavily hold russian tank back , mainly the gun handling. Any of the med to big map automatically push the russian tank down to the bottom of the barrel.
Again , this is also false. It is a game so not only the russian but other nation also get their paper performance ported into game. Picking two example while ignoring the rest doesn’t help your case
What downside? You mean gun depresion? Come on m8, have you played flak88 or the Breda? Gun depression is a minus but not a big issue when you have armor and insta kill shots.
Either way all the maps are getting COD style and are slowly deprived of flanking and sniper spots something Westerns tanks are designed for.
I picked the exambles from a recent big thread regardingATGMs , by the way TOW missiles are still modleled badly and do NOT go downwards after launch .
Either way this not the subject and I don’t want to hijack this thread.
That a whole lot of yapping and cherry picking for a person who barely play ground and USSR
Check again but DO NOT reply if your responce is again childish or out of topic, not need to get out of subject.
I said DO NOT reply if it’s nonsences and out of topic!!!
Check my STATs again, I play ALOT of everything, in fact much more than you.
By the way you don’t have to play USSR (which again I have) to play Soviet tanks.
cheers
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by a lot bro mean “I main arcade”. These battle aint even half of mine , where is the “In fact much more than you”? In fact bro play even less than me despite I only play a few vehicle
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Are you trying to get the topic locked by flaming it?
This is you right?
By the way the post, the convertation and all the screenshots is under ARCADE Battles…
No lmao , the forum has not updated my name yet
here my top 10. If your match half of these then sure , I can give you the “I play more than you” but you clearly don’t
Bravo, we both play so we are alowed to have an opinion.
Do you have any constrative feedback to get back in topic or I am correct and you just post flaming?
No idea what you are talking about…
Been playing Russian IS1 and T34s…85mm…Tigers and Panthers will withstand shot frequently…and iplayed these also…
Neither is “easy mode”…i have seen that expression a lot…never seen it proved, not even close…
AFAIK it is a reasonable match up and you can find “anecdotal” shot on both sides…
I prefer to play Tigers and Panthers but mostly because the depression on Russian tanks annoys me a bit…neither is “easy mode”.
But i am guessing that in this topic Panthers and Tigers are frail…not sure how…
I replied to you this
They have much more advantage and play “better” due to the situations they get into.
I Agree with you but again it’s becoming irrelavant as Gaijin is removing their advandage by Red taping half the maps.
Were did you read that here?
Russia is easy mode at mid tier, T34-85, IS4, T10, 906 are all overpowered with probably more idr. Tiger 1 and 2 and Panthers even Maus are easier to take out, just gotta avoid shooting at the armor when/where it’s angled relative to you. Same tactic doesn’t work nearly as often against Russian tanks.
At top tier it’s genuinely so boring to play with Russia. 90% of the games they roll through the enemy spawn within 5 minutes and half the enemy team is gone.
There’s a reason the queue for RU GER US is 150 / 20 / 10 during grindy events, people want the easy mode. It’s that simple.
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It’s good, but it’s not that good, and it’s balanced at 5.7. Calling it OP is wild, because it’s an equal to the 5.7 Shermans, and there’s no way it’s worthy of 6.0.
I’ve never seen anyone call the IS-4 or T10 super good before.
Unless it got a recent nerf or higher BR the T34 85 has far too good a gun and I remember it being an absolute menace. IS4 and T10 (and IS6) have extremely good armor. Up there with the 279 relatively speaking. Just sealclubbing machines as is tradition.
I’d consider the 85mm equal to the US 76mm, due to the 76mms better ballistics, reload rate, and flat pen. Overall, I’d consider them equal. I just don’t believe that the T-34-85 is worthy of 6.0 when considering the 76mm Jumbos BR (as well as other 6.0/6.3 equivalent tanks).
It’s not close to being as good as the Obj 279s armour. Both of those tanks (and many others in their BR range) are OP in downtiers, but pretty bad in uptiers.
None of those tanks that you originally mentioned are seal clubbing machines in their current state.
Guns shouldn’t be dissociated from their platforms and more importantly from the armor they commonly face, that goes at any BR. T-34-85 is a menace when all context is taken into account.
It’s also why the Abrams having ‘amazing firepower’ acc. to some, or the 2A7 having ‘incredible pen’ doesn’t make them OP when you account for tiny weakspots and >650 stalinium hulls.
Twisting my words as usual. I didn’t say they literally had the same armor, I said relatively speaking. Meaning compared to their opponents/BRs.
Also listing “pretty bad in uptiers” is wild considering it is/should be a given for any other tank, but I guess that counts as a drawback for the protagonists, who expect to be competitive even in uptiers.