AFK is literally, “away from keyboard” which I am not. I’m not loading into the game and leaving. I’m actively watching and interacting with other players.
Still seems like a waste to not actually participate in the match at all. The other people are right, if you arent actually going to participate in the match with your team youd more help just not even joining and sticking to YT or Twitch instead.
You could spawn in something with mines, run forward and drop the mines near an objective, inevitably die right after, then spectate. That way you are being of some use to your team.
I considered that, but it’s actually worse for my team as every death costs them 200 points, which is why I don’t do that.
If I’ve mischaracterized the situation, then you’ve misrepresented the situation. You’re the one seeking some sort of validation from the community for your abuse (or maybe I should write “misuse” instead because that might be more semantically agreeable to you?) of an in-game mechanic/feature. But it seems most responses on this thread aren’t providing that affirmation for you.
I do agree that the sort of chat messages you’ve received are against the rules, so I can certainly understand your consternation in that regard.
I think it’s fair to say that you are not fine with criticism. You’ve received several responses that clearly indicate your actions (inactions?) are not appropriate and you’re doing more harm than good to your team by refusing to be an active participant in these situations. And you have yet to acknowledge that you might just be doing something wrong, even if it’s not explicitly against the rules. You always have something to say to justify or rationalize your spectating habit. You feel the need to defend yourself against any criticism you’ve received thus far. Your reactions to our critical feedback certainly seem to indicate that you are not, in fact, “fine with criticism.”
Well, at this point I’ll admit to having become somewhat annoyed and irritated with your self-righteousness in this matter. Again, you’re seeking affirmation and validation from the WT player community, but you’re not getting any. At all. You’ve been provided with several other alternatives to help you get your spectating fix, but you’ve opposed any other ideas - you want to continue to effectively force your team to play down a man, solely for your self-gratification.
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Wise words
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I’m not seeking anything but an objective answer as to whether or not it violates the terms of service. I never asked for a subjective opinion. If it isn’t (which it doesn’t appear to be) I will continue to do so.
You may notice that I replied to all the helpful suggestions, and I mentioned to the person who suggested Twitch that I also watch on there. However, I also enjoy spectating in game, as I have control over who and what I can watch.
I’d say I’m sorry this makes you so emotional, but since I have no control over your reactions, I won’t.
I also stated that I don’t want to join a match and die quickly, because that hurts my team by taking points away from this.
Frankly, after 12 years and thousands of dollars spent on the game, I will play it and enjoy it in any way that doesn’t violate the rules. That’s the answer I was looking for, and I have gotten it. You are more than welcome to continue your unhinged ranting if it makes you feel better. I look forward to spectating your matches. Merry Christmas!
Frankly, after 12 years and thousands of dollars spent on the game, I will play it and enjoy it in any way that doesn’t violate the rules.
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If you dont violate the rules, you dont. Maybe a GM Can confirme ?
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No, I don’t believe it breaks the games rules. Wasn’t that kinda clear? If it would you would’ve gotten a punishment, I think.
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That was my confusion. I’d gotten the message that X number of players have complained, so obviously there is some game reporting mechanic at work, but it never resulted in any action by the game moderators. I wasn’t sure if it was merely informational or some kind of “strike” system. I couldn’t find any documentation.
And your mines would have a chance of costing the enemy team, which is more than what you are doing now.
I cant find a better, or nicer way to put this.
To mirror this, obviously the WT community does NOT support/approve of what you are doing. That much should have been apparent from the amount of complaints youve gotten.
So, if you arent willing to stop, you arent willing to modify, and you arent willing to do something else why even continue this charade that you care what the community has to say?
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I don’t believe you know what “unhinged” or “ranting” means. I’ve been perfectly rational, lucid, calm, reasoned, and thoughtful in my criticisms of your actions. I’ve not even used a single exclamation mark in any of my responses. If we were sitting at a table with a dram of Balvenie 21 y.o. and smoking a nice Partagas Lusitania, it would be a pleasant conversation. Well, in terms of politeness and civility anyhow.
Bottom line is that I disagree with your perspective 100%. You only want to continue rationalizing what you’re doing and you’re not interested in hearing contrary opinions (even though you started a thread about this topic for discussion). And that’s entirely your prerogative.
I’m sure you’ll want the last word as usual, so I’ll just leave it here: Merry Christmas to you, as well! Cheers!
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Where do people make this assumption that there’s so much ‘weight’ on you dying?
It’s actually concerning that this, is what some rely on to base most of thier decisions on…
And does it even cost 200? I’m sure it’s 100, and it’s also dependent on the match mode as to whether it even happens anyway.
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If I got this comment right you believe that because of time and money spent you believe its ok to “play” the game in such a manner that it makes the other team members on your team have a negative game experience, but its ok because its not against the rules exactly and its what you enjoy?
If you actually spawned in and helped, even if it was just one vehicle, you cant deny that your team would have a better chance of winning the match than if you did nothing at all. And for everyone that plays without premium they need the wins to make any progress.
Lets sum this up for you.
Is it against the rules? No
Should it be against the rules? Yes
Do you have other options to watch a live game and interact with players without leaving your team a man down? Yes you do.
Because he thinks that by not spawning in at all he is negating any negative effects of what he is doing. Yet by just being there and not spawning in, he is giving the enemy team an advantage over his team.
ANNEX #1. GAME RULES
9. If your actions do not explicitly violate the rules outlined in this document but lead to substantial complaints from other Users or harm the interests of third parties or Gaijin, the Administration reserves the right to apply the Game Access Restriction or delete your Account.
I think it would be a violation related to:
2. You must play fair and not intentionally disrupt your team’s gameplay. For example, you must not hurt your teammates on purpose (“friendly fire”), block their movements, or stay inactive (“AFK”) during a game session. You must not use cheats, bugs, exploits, or other methods of unfair play.
The link for reference Nutzungsbedingungen Von Gaijin
Anyone agree maybe?
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“To mirror this, obviously the WT community does NOT support/approve of what you are doing. That much should have been apparent from the amount of complaints youve gotten.
So, if you arent willing to stop, you arent willing to modify, and you arent willing to do something else why even continue this charade that you care what the community has to say?”
I don’t. I just wanted to know if it was against the terms of service or not. That is the ONLY thing I cared about. Not opinion. Not speculation. Not how it effects the team. Simply whether or not it was an offense that could get me banned. All other considerations are irrelevant to me. Thank you for your time.
Not what I said. If it’s against the rules I won’t do it. If it isn’t, I will. It’s that simple.
Thanks. I will check with the game moderators for an official ruling.
I don’t know, but I’ve obviously gotten a lot of pushback on it. I don’t want to deliberately die, because I know it takes points away from the team. In the matches I play, it’s mostly 200 per ship lost.
Again, I didn’t say it “negates any negative effects.” I said that it doesn’t take 200 points away every time I die, which is one of the suggestions made. I’ll just stick with watching and deal with the pushback. Thanks for your answer.