I want you to think about what I said about expectations and how they don’t govern what is true or not.
Otherwise we’re just going in circles and there’s no point in me doing this.
We’re not discussing expectations. We’re discussing what is modeled ingame and what isn’t. Spall liners are not modeled ingame. Fuel tanks are.
There is no tank in the game which has a section of armor which has spalling modeled as if it had a spall liner. If you know of one please enlighten me so I can view it.
What are your expectations of spall liners and their performance?
From gaijin:
“Spall liner in the game stops the weakest shards from the fragmentation cone, therefore in effect decreasing after-penetration effect. Post war Soviet tanks have radiation liners, that works similar to anti-spall, but only for the tiniest shards.”
If you think that spall liners are underperforming (they are), make a bug report.
There is no tank in the game which has a section of armor which has spalling modeled as if it had a spall liner. If you know of one please enlighten me so I can view it.
Do you have some sources stating how much spalling should happen? I’ll make a bug report for you if you have that information
I’ll leave you with this as some important stuff:
T-55A is the only tank with a modeled “spall liner”, released in 2017, it was early and clearly gaijins first attempt at a spall liner, it’s 8mm structural steel that lines the insides. It doesn’t work, it was designed to stop hesh, it doesn’t, doesn’t even reduce spall.
IRL, early Leopard 2 spall liners use 2 metal plates with resin in between as a spall liner.
Its spall liner was upgraded over time to now including spall liners on the turret roof which wasn’t there before on the earlier models.
Some tanks particularly IFV/APC use aramid blankets as spall liners, not everyone as the later American Bradley’s use bolted on aramid plates instead of blankets.
Soviet tanks use an anti radiation lining that also serves as a spall liner.
I named 3 countries, we have a lot more than that in game and I would like to mention spall liners vary on tanks within the same country.
So you better start researching because there’s a lot to be done if you want to correct gaijin.
There is, use protection analysis or nvidia photo mode.
That’s one of your issues, x-ray doesn’t show you everything
It’s inside, where do you think spall liners are? You have to use nvidia photo mode or use protection analysis, it will highlight the spall liner when it gets hit.
Of course it also doesn’t work, it doesn’t stop spall.
Do I have to hand hold you through the entire game?
Wait, how do you think stoppage of spall is modelled? If it gets stopped, you won’t see it. The game won’t tell you it stopped your spall.
I literally said it doesn’t work, that’s what happens you model spall liner as a physical thing and not a modifier.
You can see the spall liner in your photo
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I see, you don’t have any idea of what you’re talking about.
Alright then I guess.
You clearly don’t understand how the game works, spall is generated via a modifier.
You keep ignoring what I said about expectations and this is what happens. You expect spall liner to behave like this, it doesn’t so the game must be missing spall liner. It just not modeled in the way you want it to.
So instead of plugging your ears and going “why no spall liner”, why won’t you do research and tell gaijin why they’re wrong.
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Please stop commenting misinformation.
Are you going to specify or am I witnessing ear plugging right now?
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I have asked you repeatedly to post information regarding the modeling of spall liners in the game. You have not done so. Please stop insisting something that is not modeled ingame is if you are unable to show evidence of it existing.
Gaijin says they’re modeled and they’re the devs, burden of proof lays on you to prove it’s not there.
I spent 5 seconds going into discord and looking at data mines, there is mention of spall liners. I found one immediately stating a spall liner was removed from ZTZ96.
Where’s your proof?
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Gaijin stated in a Q&A that they are present on modern tanks and they would like to model them in the future.
This was a Q&A from 2019 and does not reflect the current state of the game.
I’m not going to bother continuing this if you resort to just lying. Unless you’re not completely fluent with English.
What they said:
“Yes it works, at the moment all vehicles in the game that used a spall liner of some sort have them or will be added”
I have asked you to show where it is modeled ingame you have failed to do so.
This is an answer from 2019. The game is different now and from performance ingame it is very evident they are no longer modeled. If they were modeled, why isn’t it a viewable armor module?
Why would you fail to provide such critical information to players when this game pays such attention to detail?
You’re calling the developers morons by insisting they have something invisibly modeled.
I have a lot of issues with the developer’s design choices but when they choose to model something it generally has been done well.