For awhile there i was starting to wonder if its Razor Vons alt…
I struggle so much because I know that the Tor is useless? Right, says the one saying that the worst missile SPAA at Rank VIII is undertiered. Remember, it used to be 11.7, but it was so bad it was dropped to 11.0, but obviously it must be OP and Chinese bias or something.
Tor-M1 I have a 3.8KDR in, HQ-17 I have a 5.1KDR in. It’s not because they’re great, it’s because CAS players fly in a straight line (and drones are in general pretty bad).
“worst missile AA”
Yes, because the OTOMATIC is the worst top SPAA. I think the only thing worse than the OTOMATIC and Tor/HQ is the Imp. Chappie, but at least the Chappie gets to stay around 10.0, the OTOMATIC is 11.3 for no good reason, and the Tor/HQ is 11.0 and 11.3 respectively.
Logical fallacies don’t make good defenses.
I don’t hate CAS, I just want equity among the triangle so that no one side dominates the other without a counter or opportunity.
It would be illogical for an SPAA main to hate CAS, I litterally depend on them being present to play the ground (and rotary wing) vehicles I prefer to play 🤣
The Crotale was in service in Africa in the early 70’s
Croatle yes. Crotale NG no.
Crotale: Multi vehicle system using R440 missile
Crotale NG: Self contained system using VT1 missile.
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Yep I mixed up the posts/posters
Yeah how dare a plane with F&F munitions face defenses with the same capabilities. The horror.
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Ok? Doesn’t change that 13.0s belong at 13.0
Except they’re 12.0, and that’s still too high
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Sure but they’re not 13’s 🤷🏻♂️
Almost every SPAA/AD system in the game is over tiered as is.
SLM and Pantsir belong at 13.0
The few rank 6s and 7s that Gajin broke the guidance of (e.g Roland) isn’t “almost every”.
The WW2 gun and autocannon SPAAs all have pretty good BR balancing.
The early radar SPAAs are in a strange spot where they’re amazing in downtiers but underwhelming in uptiers (every 7.0 has that issue though)
The late radar SPAA (e.g XM246) and early SAMs, namely Stingers, 4Ms, and Mim-72s are all unarguably undertiered.
ADATS, Rolands, and comparable SPAA suck because of compression. Pantsir and SLM are undertiered.
Once again, a CAS main that has zero idea of what he is talking about. Maybe don’t fly in a straight line. The Pantsir was the best SPAA, not because it was OP, but because everything else sucked. Same with the IRIS-T. It’s not OP, it’s just surrounded by things that suck.
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I mean you keep saying it. But that doesn’t make it true.
Maybe if Gajin didn’t intentionally handicap them it could be. But as it stands currently virtually every system is a minimum of .3 too high and several could probably drop 1.0
The only SPAAs that could drop and be balanced is WW2 SPAAs, and that’s just bc lowering their BR would have no tangible change.
Struggling with any SPAA between 7.3 and 10.3 is literally the biggest skill issue possible.
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Yes, ruling on that burnout case was a purely 100% subjective opinion from that judge.
Show me a country that has laws which are illegal on their own ?
I’d like to see who has no idea what they’re doing.
Doesn’t and can’t for a law that is explicitly stated.
You’ve given us multiple example of how vague laws can turn the whole situation into a sloppy mess, where you have as many interpretations as you have people on the planet.
I hope (for their own good) that Sweden has a law about incitement.
If they do, then any law that talks about things like “do anything you’re asked to” assumes those asked things must be legal, otherwise it would break the incitement law thus making the law in of itself illegal.
I’d love to meet someone that thinks one law breaking the another isn’t completely ridiculous, rationale would be amazing I’m sure.
Those example laws should then be changed as soon as possible as they’re basically illegal and their introduction in such state was an oversight. I’m not arguing that there aren’t any bogus laws out there.
One blatant example would be if you wanted to pass a law that permits people to murder others for an intent of anything, all the while the country has a law stating that intentional murder is illegal.
Former law simply can’t legally exist while the latter on is in power.
But the noise would be the only factor that could cause public disturbance if a vehicle is driving normally and legally, which is why I brought it up.
Normal driving should be an action of driving a vehicle on a public road following all the traffic laws. Keep in mind that erratic/unnecessary driving also fall under the traffic law.
All those were vague laws and the section you quoted here has me specifying I’m talking about explicitly stated laws only. I do thank you for providing us many examples of how vague laws can make things confusing for both the police and citizens.
I do wish that WT handle serious issues as explicitly as our real life laws do.
One more WT related question, wouldn’t leaving the game while you still have SP to spawn BR appropriate vehicles that you own be considered griefing ?
Because it very much does look like it.
Same thing as with people intentionally spawning low BR vehicles in high tier matches, griefing or not ?
And your opinion on if that is correct or not is also subjective (which is what i was referring to).
Example showed later in that post with personal assistance for handicapped.
Which isn’t what is being discussed.
That’s the entire issue, “assumes” is vague and not explicitly stated. The two laws directly contradict in certain situations, which is why it has been brought up to court to have a ruling on to set an example case (example cases are used in the same way loophole patches would be in an explicitly stated system).
I read that bit wrong, please ignore that part, my bad.
That exact issue has existed in Sweden for YEARS with no solution in sight as of yet. Arguably stupid? yes. Exists? yes.
If the laws are vague that contradiction might not be discovered until way later, per haps years after implementation, at which point example cases and judgements are made to “patch” that issue.
Yes, but not the “level” of that noise, it could just as well be frequency of occurrence and tone. If you have a fan in your PC that starts acting up and constantly making a screeching noise you’re going to be bothered by it. If it acts up and only occasionally make a slight deeper sound you’re likely not going to care much, even if it’s on the exact same dB as the previous case.
That is still not really defined though. what is “normal” for one person might not be for another, What is “erratic/unnecessary driving” for one person might not be for another.
That’s a hard question, but seeing as there is a system already in place that punishes that action (crew lock) it is to some degree griefing in my personal opinion. It will however depend on the situation as (if i remember correctly) there is also a time limit on that crew lock and if you have played for long enough it is not punished and thus wouldn’t be considered griefing as you would likely have been deemed to have done enough in the match for your team anyway (lots of surrounding factors on that last point though and other rules that might come into play as well).
As there is an achievement in place for getting a kill with way lower BR vehicle i’d personally say it’s okay to do. How else would players get the “god mode” achievement?
That “do anything I ask law” couldn’t even be passed in the first place if it broke any other law, which in this case is a law about incitement so by definition you can’t ask for anything illegal. This is pretty much a no-brainer and yet another example of how explicitly stating something is better. It doesn’t take a genius to come up with this and say “Anything that you ask must be legal, otherwise the person you’re asking must say no and you’ll also be charged with incitement.”.
People going to court over this is laughable.
Yes, bogus laws do exist but I guess governments are too busy pushing their agenda (whatever that might be) so they can’t be bothered and fix such easily fixable oversights.
We’re seeing a trend with vague laws now.
The officials that made those laws should be held accountable for them, as some of those examples are so easy to fix that even a random forumer like me came up with a solution in like five seconds after reading it. Imagine people that are being paid to do just that miss such a trivial thing.
That is borderline incompetence and ignorance.
Something making more noise than it should is a clear sign of malfunctioning in relation to it’s stock specifications. I don’t know if it’s already implemented, but vehicle’s noise level should be related to everything related to that specific vehicle to include stuff like “bangs” and “squeaks” as well.
It’s not defined enough, I agree.
Why would you weave in your lane if it’s not necessary ?
Why would you rev your engine and do burnouts at a traffic light ?
Why would you race someone on a public road ?
All those things aren’t needed for you to go from point A to B and thus unnecessary and pretty much erratic/reckless.
Crew lock doesn’t apply to the already used vehicle when you get killed in it, so the player is now able to queue up for a game with only that vehicle available, further amplifying the issue, which is quite ironic from a system that’s supposed to combat this behavior.
This is pretty much speculative and shouldn’t be handled in such a way.
If you decided to leave before the game ends while having enough SP to spawn something, you could have done more, but you intentionally haven’t even tried to do so which is griefing by definition.
You must be joking, right ?
Removing an achievement that incentivizes griefing should be the way to go, not the other way around as otherwise any tries for a competitive and fair play fall flat on it’s face.
It’s actually shocking that you’re trying to excuse this behavior just because a simply removable achievement exists. This is an amazing in-game example of how something shouldn’t exist if it breaks another law.
God Mode probably breaks more than just a single rule in the game, so should’ve been null and void years ago.
So based on your statement, I’m not being griefed if most of my team spawns in a Reserve tier vehicle in a 12.0 match just because they want to achieve personal gain, with total and intentional disregard to their random team and teammates, intentionally ruining their experience and gains.
This is totally ludicrous in a PvP game that tries to be competitive.