pretty much every tank in game now. Driving my IS-4M and see a Tiger II because he can’t pentrate me then he just J-out.
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Deserves to be ban-worthy.
not really
it always the french Main.
I am not entirely sure if this whole debate has any usefulness.
On one hand I sincerely doubt Gaijin would ever step in and ban players who supposedly abuse the J function anyways, since it’s overall hard to prove intent of kill denial and any non-conservative definition of that would make that rule far too restrictive and could result in a lot of unjustified bans. It’s also not really an super common issue, since J’ing out does have the inconvenience of losing spawn points and the reward for an AA kill isn’t good either way so, in the end, the result is exactly the same except for the unjust kill denial which again, it’s not that big of a deal, at least in my opinion.
On the other hand you can’t really argue from a rules-based stance that it would be fair to kill-deny even if the odds are largely against you as that’s simply poor sportsmanship and it’s not a game mechanic as laid out by the GM here. There’s a status-quo in game and even if you believe that said status-quo is unfair for X number of reasons, you are still accepting that status-quo by playing the game so yes it’s still technically against the rules and saying otherwise demands an immense amount of mental gymnastics.
That being said, Gaijin will not do anything about either of your cases and this thread is largely just becoming another anti-CAS vs pro-CAS argument.
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Yea, its not something Gaijin is enforcing compared to cheat bans. If they start making things more strict for J outs, like you said, there will be a lot of unjustified bans or punishments. Also there will be a lot less freedom to the point where we become anxious about the rules and lose the fun of playing the game quicker imo.
I believe that is the reason why the guidelines is not super specified and left too vague yet simple to understand.
You failed to show me where I said Gajin sees it as acceptable.
Some can for sure, others that short range none fnf missiles can’t. Being able to sit in a spawn immune is a little unfair when you can just destroy aircraft at will.
Imagine they did we could remove the toxic half of the player base. Wouldn’t that be something.
I just don’t think people should take the game so seriously.
I didn’t fail to show you anything. I never said “you said gaijin sees it as acceptable”. I specifically wrote YOU see Jing out as acceptable to deny kills only when it suits you and when it doesn’t suit you, you think it should be ban worthy.
The point is that YOU are a hypocrite who is applying double standards to the use of the exact same feature for the exact same reason.
The point is that YOU are sliding into the textbook meaning of “Rules for thee but not for me”.
Hence why I quoted YOU saying that you find Jing out to deny kills on runway acceptable, whilst earlier in this thread you were ranting about ground vehicles Jing out to deny kills.
Do try to keep up.
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Buddy, you were literally arguing with gajin whether J’ing out to deny a kill is against the rules.
I never said that J’ing out on an airfield is or isn’t against the rules.
I’m not a france main. Nor fr*nch.
You really got the nerve to complain here…
“Oh, they can’t do anything to me and therefore J-ing out, I can’t get my free uncontested kill! Oh lord have pity. Is there any empathy left for a lil poor CAS main in this world?”
There’s none dude. Rightfully so.
Buddy, you were literally arguing with gajin whether J’ing out to deny a kill is against the rules.
Buddy, this has absolutely nothing to do with you being a hypocrite and your double standards that is being discussed. Stop and read what is being written instead of diving off into your own irrelevant tangents.
I never said that J’ing out on an airfield is or isn’t against the rules.
And I never said you did, if you were capable of reading what was written you would know that.
YOU said you find Jing out to deny kills to someone trying to kill you on airfield acceptable because in your opinion you are defenceless.
YOU said you believe Jing out to deny kills to someone trying to kill you with CAS in a ground vehicle is “toxic 4 y/o behavior” and should be bannable despite being the exact same as the above.
YOU have stated that you believe Jing out to deny kills in a ground vehicle is abusing the leave vehicle function therefore should be bannable due to fair play/abuse.
YOU are a hypocrite for no longer caring that it is against fair play and apparently abusing the feature when it is an aircraft denying a kill to an attacker on airfield.
YOU have the self awareness of a sea cucumber.
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Because you’re still in the battle and can respawn on the airfield as many times as you like.
J’ing out while undamaged on an airfield is to avoid dying.
You J’ing out to deny a kill is because you have the mentality of a 4 y/o when you see CAS, and whine and cry “unfair!!! unfair!!!” On the forums every time you die.
Should J’ing out to avoid dying be considered against the rules? Probably.
Is self preservation massively different from spiting other players cause you’re angry? Yes
Because you’re still in the battle and can respawn on the airfield as many times as you like.
Ah so it’s perfectly acceptable for you to J out and deny a kill as long as you can respawn? So you have no issue with people Jing out in ground vehicles to spawn in another one then? You’re still in the battle and can happily respawn.
Also, I’m sure that is makes it so much better for the poor guy trying to kill you that has now likely died to airfield AA meanwhile you abuse the J out feature to become unkillable. Yeah you’re definitely not sounding like a total hypocrite here still.
J’ing out while undamaged on an airfield is to avoid dying.
So Jing out to deny a kill?
You J’ing out to deny a kill is because you have the mentality of a 4 y/o when you see CAS, and whine and cry “unfair!!! unfair!!!” On the forums every time you die.
You were quite literally crying about how unfair it is for people to kill you on airfield because in your opinion AAA isn’t strong enough and crying about people killing you near airfield because there is no AAA and how unfair it is and how this justifies you being a toxic 4 y/o abusing Jing out to deny kills.
Let’s say it again.
YOU. ARE. A. HYPOCRITE
Should J’ing out to avoid dying be considered against the rules? Probably.
Oh so it’s now not against the rules again? You were stating with absolute certainty earlier in the thread when it suited you that Jing out was definitely against the rules. Can’t make up your mind when you’re busy contradicting yourself eh?
Is self preservation massively different from spiting other players cause you’re angry? Yes
Jing out in a ground vehicle is also self preservation in so far as you are denying respawn points to the enemy. You are improving the chances of winning the match by reducing the ability of the enemy to respawn, thereby preserving yourself when you respawn in your next vehicle.
And let’s be entirely honest here given your apparent anger towards people killing you on airfield you are most definitely Jing out to spite them. You are definitely doing it to deny a them a kill and likely get them killed in the process and is definitely abuse of the feature going by your previously stated beliefs on the J out function in this thread.
At the end of the day, you’re just a hypocrite having a meltdown now and trying to find anything to try to skew what you said in a different light however weak the attempt is. It’s not working though.
You continue with your mental gymnastics about how it is acceptable whenever you want it to be and otherwise it isn’t. You continue upholding the golden standard of “Rules for thee but not for me” when it comes to the stereotype of the entitled CAS player. You do you.
I wash my hands of you anyway, this is turning into a pigeon and chessboard scenario with you.
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When did I say anything about spawning another vehicle? You just respawn your exact same vehicle, with no repair cost, when you J’out on an airfield.
If anything it makes it kind of worse doesn’t it ?
At least the ground J outter still get to pay the repair price
Planes in GRB should be killing tanks.
Planes in ARB shouldn’t be camping airfields.
As I’ve said before: J-ing out to deny kills should be ban-worthy.
MiG-21 Js out as soon as he gets radar locked.
Bf 109 Js out as soon as he sees a P-47 behind him at high altitude.
Here I ONLY get the kill because he didn’t J out through the pause menu. If he did that, or this was a ground battle and we were both in TANKS, I would have gotten nothing.
Spitfire Js out the moment he sees my teammate pull up on him.
F-84 sees he can’t win and crashes into the ground, functionally identical.
These are far from the only ones, a look through the WarthunderSim subreddit will show many occasions of this happening, including some players which will fire all their ARH/Fox-3 missiles at you and J out immediately after to prevent you from killing them back.
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