Just because somebody is rearming doesnt take away from the fact that they are still an active player in the game and can have an affect on the outcome of said game. They are still more than fair game for anybody that wants to come and deal with them while rearming.
So yes J-ing out on the airfield to deny a kill like that very much puts you in the same category as tank/spaa players who do it…
Trying to argue otherwise just outs you as a hypocrite in this situation
Using a feature - says the guy who literally struggles with TANK in TANK battles, and is only playing to spawn a plane. And if you die without enough SP for a plane you leave the battle and try another.
Just spawn a tank bro
CAS abuser logic makes perfect straightforward sense
Flag system abuse
Dude, you were literally trying to argue with gajin about what is and isn’t against the rules.
I have never tried to claim that j’ing out on an airfield when undamaged is perfectly fine as far as WT rules go.
Spawn a tank, bro
I have never tried to claim that j’ing out on an airfield when undamaged is perfectly fine as far as WT rules go.
You stated, and I quote:
Honestly, denying airfield rushers kills is the only form of kill denial that I approve of. AF defenses are such a mess rn, making AF camping easy, whilst giving almost no protection for people repairing.
You have said you find it acceptable to deny kills to people trying to kill you on airfield by Jing out. Whilst at the same time stating you do not find it acceptable for ground vehicles to deny kills by Jing out.
You’ve tried to claim earlier in this thread that it is abusing the purpose of the leave vehicle function to deny kills, and therefore should be a ban worthy act. Then you go on to say that you think abusing it to deny kills is fine and acceptable, when it suits you.
Same feature, used for the same reason, with the same result.
Leave vehicle, to deny a kill, removing a potential kill from an attacker who will otherwise kill you.
You are a hypocrite.
pretty much every tank in game now. Driving my IS-4M and see a Tiger II because he can’t pentrate me then he just J-out.
Deserves to be ban-worthy.
not really
it always the french Main.
I am not entirely sure if this whole debate has any usefulness.
On one hand I sincerely doubt Gaijin would ever step in and ban players who supposedly abuse the J function anyways, since it’s overall hard to prove intent of kill denial and any non-conservative definition of that would make that rule far too restrictive and could result in a lot of unjustified bans. It’s also not really an super common issue, since J’ing out does have the inconvenience of losing spawn points and the reward for an AA kill isn’t good either way so, in the end, the result is exactly the same except for the unjust kill denial which again, it’s not that big of a deal, at least in my opinion.
On the other hand you can’t really argue from a rules-based stance that it would be fair to kill-deny even if the odds are largely against you as that’s simply poor sportsmanship and it’s not a game mechanic as laid out by the GM here. There’s a status-quo in game and even if you believe that said status-quo is unfair for X number of reasons, you are still accepting that status-quo by playing the game so yes it’s still technically against the rules and saying otherwise demands an immense amount of mental gymnastics.
That being said, Gaijin will not do anything about either of your cases and this thread is largely just becoming another anti-CAS vs pro-CAS argument.
Yea, its not something Gaijin is enforcing compared to cheat bans. If they start making things more strict for J outs, like you said, there will be a lot of unjustified bans or punishments. Also there will be a lot less freedom to the point where we become anxious about the rules and lose the fun of playing the game quicker imo.
I believe that is the reason why the guidelines is not super specified and left too vague yet simple to understand.
You failed to show me where I said Gajin sees it as acceptable.
Some can for sure, others that short range none fnf missiles can’t. Being able to sit in a spawn immune is a little unfair when you can just destroy aircraft at will.
Imagine they did we could remove the toxic half of the player base. Wouldn’t that be something.
I just don’t think people should take the game so seriously.
I didn’t fail to show you anything. I never said “you said gaijin sees it as acceptable”. I specifically wrote YOU see Jing out as acceptable to deny kills only when it suits you and when it doesn’t suit you, you think it should be ban worthy.
The point is that YOU are a hypocrite who is applying double standards to the use of the exact same feature for the exact same reason.
The point is that YOU are sliding into the textbook meaning of “Rules for thee but not for me”.
Hence why I quoted YOU saying that you find Jing out to deny kills on runway acceptable, whilst earlier in this thread you were ranting about ground vehicles Jing out to deny kills.
Do try to keep up.
Buddy, you were literally arguing with gajin whether J’ing out to deny a kill is against the rules.
I never said that J’ing out on an airfield is or isn’t against the rules.
I’m not a france main. Nor fr*nch.
You really got the nerve to complain here…
“Oh, they can’t do anything to me and therefore J-ing out, I can’t get my free uncontested kill! Oh lord have pity. Is there any empathy left for a lil poor CAS main in this world?”
There’s none dude. Rightfully so.
Buddy, you were literally arguing with gajin whether J’ing out to deny a kill is against the rules.
Buddy, this has absolutely nothing to do with you being a hypocrite and your double standards that is being discussed. Stop and read what is being written instead of diving off into your own irrelevant tangents.
I never said that J’ing out on an airfield is or isn’t against the rules.
And I never said you did, if you were capable of reading what was written you would know that.
YOU said you find Jing out to deny kills to someone trying to kill you on airfield acceptable because in your opinion you are defenceless.
YOU said you believe Jing out to deny kills to someone trying to kill you with CAS in a ground vehicle is “toxic 4 y/o behavior” and should be bannable despite being the exact same as the above.
YOU have stated that you believe Jing out to deny kills in a ground vehicle is abusing the leave vehicle function therefore should be bannable due to fair play/abuse.
YOU are a hypocrite for no longer caring that it is against fair play and apparently abusing the feature when it is an aircraft denying a kill to an attacker on airfield.
YOU have the self awareness of a sea cucumber.
Because you’re still in the battle and can respawn on the airfield as many times as you like.
J’ing out while undamaged on an airfield is to avoid dying.
You J’ing out to deny a kill is because you have the mentality of a 4 y/o when you see CAS, and whine and cry “unfair!!! unfair!!!” On the forums every time you die.
Should J’ing out to avoid dying be considered against the rules? Probably.
Is self preservation massively different from spiting other players cause you’re angry? Yes
