gepard,marksman,… are too low indeed but zsu 23 is useless
it hits planes from 1km distance and that is if you get lucky which just doesnt make sense playing against jets
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lol. No. If anything they should be moved down to 7.7 or 8.0.
Ermm i disagree, ZSU-23 and M163 already hard to get kills with slow velocity rounds vs faster jets. Comparable to how bad the skink is. They can also barley deal with tanks so it helps them a lot being at 7.3 at the moment to stop CAS dominance. The other 8.3 SPAA’s are fine where they sit, moving them at 9.0 will just expose them against more dangerous threats they won’t reach that the 9.3 SAMs can.
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Here’s the thing. M163 abs ZSU-23 are a good match for 8.3 jets.
1.0-6.0 matches radarless SPAA quite well. They don’t have ballistics computers, and they’re all slow.
7.0 is abit of a strange br as it marks the start of a new era for both ground and air (jets and HEAT).
8.0 matches M163 and Shilka quite well as 8.0s are fast (which warrants early radar SPAA) but don’t have ballistics computers (too weak for late radar SPAA). Exception being slow jets like SAAB and F-84.
9.0 is a good match for late radar SPAA (Gepard and its clones) as it has fast jets, RWR, and ballistics computers.
10.0 is a good match for most early SAMs (namely Stingers) as jets start to access guided munitions, ones which can fire from outside SPAA range, but won’t lock until far within)
Before XM246, I regularly brought M163 to 8.3. I used to be in the boat that M163 sucks, but after using it abit, I’ve come to realize it’s actually pretty solid, even a full br above it’s own.
Imo, M163 should be 8.3
XM246 9.0 with M247
Chaparral and SAM Shilka should both be 9.7. Ozelot and Gepard 1A2 10.0
LAV-AD 10.3
Just a side note, 9.0 also has MCLOS missiles like bullpups and nords which similarly match Gepard quite well.
Take your goofy ahh CAS hater cope elsewhere.
There’s no world where 1980s SPAA should see 1950s planes, and ESPECIALLY not 1940s planes.
163 kinda suffers, 23-4 not
ofc not for the turret traverse and actual gun handling regarding to 234, and not a bit comparable for 163
23-4M2 slaughters everyone.
Stop cancer SPAA
Heli balance is a big prob and should be done separately, but I can’t imagine any of mig15/f86/f84 to be actually balanced against gepards. ccip-less close-up bombers yum
Yes saab is another story, just as p39n0 at 2.7 ARB. We don’t talk about categories by strongest vehicles.
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There’s a reason they are different BR.
What exactly would you want changed?
This guy just wants to have an easy, unstoppable time with CAS.
M163 is actually quite easy when you learn to lead the lead indicator.
Just because I want braindead easy vehicles to have a more logical br, doesn’t mean I want the vehicles it intends to counter to be overpowered.
That’s just a sad lie perpetuated by CAS haters to try and justify anyone who doesn’t share their skill issue.
Just because I don’t want to see CAS stomping ground without the ability to respond doesn’t mean I hate CAS.
Your suggestions are just silly. You’re suggesting every capable SPAA move up atleast one BR which would dramatically weaken the air defense in every single BR when CAS is the most commonly referenced issue
his own stats with SPAAs isnt even lining up with what he claims. check for yourself.
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Oh I know. I took a long break from WT awaiting better AD options.
Before I left he was singing the same tired song about how SPAA were too deadly despite having virtually no experience with them.
yeah, same. completly stopped playing above 10.7 once the 38MT was introduced. before that it was F-16s with mavericks that dominated, but at the very least there was some semblence of counterplay due to their range, lack of IOG and HEAT warheads which had little splash damage (not even sure if SAPHE maveriskcs were thing back then).
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In reality, when you have M163 on your team it’s like having no SPAA on your team. Can never rely on an M163 player for support. They sound cool, though.
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issue with M163 is its effective range. Radar literally doesnt track beyond what, 1.5km? and 20mms shells seem to have absolutely dogwater ballistics beyond 800m. meaning it needs to be played closer to tanks in order to protect them, putting the M163 in much higher risk.
boy i am glad XM246 was introduced. vulcan simply wasnt cutting it in 8.7 lineups, let alone uptiers to 9.7.
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Yup, and you can hear and see it’s stream of bullets from half the globe away.
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part of reason im looking forward to finally moving to 9.0 - 9.7 US.
in theres anything that makes me consistently eat dirt, its the York with its tracerless proxy fuze shells.
You can see the muzzle flash, about the only tell you have. Looking down seeing 2 side by side muzzle flashes constantly and no tracers is some kind of primal fear.
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yep. for me its usually suddenly hearing few shells fly by and then dematerializing into atoms. partly reason why i exclusively fly only the swiss hunter in 9.7 ger lineup for CAS, so i dont have deal with that stuff.
Im not a great CAS player but that things scares me more than any spaa in the game below 10.7.
Yeah, I don’t use the York, but I can honestly say that when I’m flying around at that BR, if I see a York, I get the hell out of dodge. HE-VT is no joke. Like before they neutered the VEAK.
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