I wholeheartedly disagree. Please watch the first 5 minutes of this for A perfect example of my argument.
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Then by your own admission they aren’t OP, because pilots have learned to counter them.
Self defeating argument
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Yep. Ko’d himself XD.
Right, because there haven’t been multiple
Yeah because of the 5 active participants in the last hour, everyone of them other than you agreed you’re wrong…. He sure missed with that 🤣
And if your counter argument for why your KD is so poor in the M247, why are others not similarly low?
I don’t think in great but I’m posting at 2.0, (1.79 if you only count aircraft) in the 247.
??? Anybody who understands this game knows why that is the case…? CAS has a natural advantage to SPAA in most BRs. SPAA has been nerfed and made worse over the years without any buffs when it wasn’t overpowered to begin with. Complaining isn’t a bad thing… stop trying to pretend it is.
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Because hundreds of games with only a fraction of the kills doesn’t mean skill XD
“most BRs” as in rank 1.0-5.7 and 13.0? sure, if we go by that metric.
no not really. some bad SPAA has been nerfed, mainly ones from minor nations like R3 T20, but most have been buffed. M42 got moved down, Russia got tons of new OP SPAA toys to play with, heck let’s not forget that SPAA have nearly unlimited ammo now, something planes don’t/can’t have.
complaining is a bad thing. actually addressing issues and giving thought out ideas on how to fix them is good. SPAA players almost never do the latter for some reason.
“ZSU-23s and Gepards are overpowered”
Considering your lack of experience with SPAA that have to fight SACLOS ATGMs, I don’t think you can make this claim. Especially because you’ve only played one CAS plane with SACLOS ATGMs (That being the A-4E), and you only managed under half of the KD that the average player on Thunderskill managed with it too (0.9 vs 2.05)
Which would be relevant only if helicopters could fire from their helipad. Which they can’t. The very worst the Sgt York has to deal with are the later Hinds with Sturms, which have a 5km range, which is entirely within the Sgt York’s range. Others, like the very common reserve tier ones like the Z-11 and Scout have 3-3.5km range, which is effectively point blank for the Sgt York.
What possible sacrifices does the Sgt York make in an AA role? Yeah, it can’t hunt tanks consistently, but that’s not the role of an SPAA. Meanwhile, it has the capability of engaging planes that other SPAAs can’t even touch. That’s well worth the tradeoff. Judging SPAA by their tank hunting ability is pointless, especially when the topic of conversation is about how they deal (or don’t) with CAS.
And your M19A1 (with 372 battles played) managed a whopping 0.3 KD against planes. Worse than your performance in the Sgt York.
To be fair, this is no surprise, the M19A1 is not a particularly good vehicle at engaging aircraft. The average player on Thunderskill only manages 0.11. But it doesn’t speak to your godlike ability to clear the skies with SPAA.
And the excuse for lack of planes at the tier doesn’t fly either (unintentional pun). The average KD against planes on Thunderskill for the Sgt York is 1.39, shockingly high for an SPAA and higher than every tier 6 SPAA equipped with IR SAMs.
For reference, the Gepard only manages 0.34. I wouldn’t consider these equal in the SPAA role.
Obligatory disclaimer that Thunderskill isn’t super accurate. However, it’s known to have a bias towards better players (Since only better players will have used the site, thus giving their stats over to them). Thus, the actual KDs for these SPAA is likely much worse than they seem here.
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So you’re admitting you’re bad with quite possibly the easiest gun SPAA, after admitting that they’re not OP.
You’re not really making a convincing argument here…
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Only at top tier, USSR has SPAA that is mediocre in comparison at 8.0 in terms of AA capability, I mean you look at the Shilka and then you look at the Gepard, I mean not Gepard as Gepards turret/35mm oerlikons that is a better AA and AT compare to what Shilka could dish out, the M247 also out-class it in that department because CAS wouldn’t even know they are been shot at until its too late. And lower br they are also mostly mediocre SPAA like the BTR-152D, it is not a good SPAA compare to something the likes of Wirblewind or the new T77E1, only the BTR-ZD is half decent but you gotta deal with that reload after a short burst fire. Most br USSR has rather trash SPAA, or a nicer way to call them “not user friendly”
9.3 - 10.3 SPAA is probably the most balanced in the game.
Ayit, Super Etendard, Jaguar, Alpha Jet E, AMX, G91Y, Q-5L, Q-5A, AV-8S, Jaguar, Harrier GR3, Buccaneer S2, Buccaneer S2B, Su-25, Alpha Jet A, Tornado IDS, A-6E TRAM, A-4E, F-111A…
ALL CAS options that give good counterplay to the SPAA available AT their BRs.
SAAB-105G, F-86, Alpha Jets, F-84Fs, Scimitar, Saar, A32A… all provide excellent counter-play against those SPAA.
And what’s the alternative ? CAS being able to destroy tanks without any sort of counter play?
Why should tanks be relegated to cannon fodder in their only game mode?
IMO, SPAA should always be the more powerful in the AA V CAS dynamic. If CAS truly takes skill, as it’s ‘mains’ so often like to profess, I have faith in their supreme abilities to adapt and overcome.
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How so? I’ve spaded 9 SPAAs at the tier. Type 87, ZA-35, ItPsv Leopard, VEAK (pre-nerf), AMX-30 DCA, Shilka x2 (Russian and Italian), SANTAL and Type 93. That’s not including the Falcon, since I only ever tank hunted with it, and the lack of a RADAR makes dealing with SACLOS ranged weapons almost impossible.
I’d argue the York is better than the LAV AD. At least when it comes to hunting aircraft. I’ll take tracerless proxy over the 25mm with very limited range, Stingers that miss if the target makes a hard pull, and no search RADAR.
Clearing the sky can be infinitely more valuable, especially if you get people before they drop, or at least before they’re out of ordinance. Good CAS planes like the SAAB, Alpha Jet or A-4 family can turn one spawn into 4-5 free kills if unconstested.
This is not information anyone would have access to, unless you’ve been painstakingly keeping track of it yourself, which seems doubtful.
Either way, it’s still not proof of you being exceptional against aircraft. It certainly doesn’t explain the low air KD you have in every SPAA that can’t consistently hunt tanks (M247, M16, M163, etc).
Thunderskill absolutely includes stock games. I know this because it tracks my stats for vehicles I’ve played under 10 games, which I’ve definitely not spaded.
Why would this make the Sgt York’s stats better than the other RADAR guided SPAAs? Wouldn’t that make it worse, since people would be bringing it to higher tiers where it would be less competitive?
I don’t know where you’re getting this from, because I have played so much rank 6. Feel free to check for yourself, if you want. I’ll link it right here.
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Agreed. Though I usually bring both, the M247 is a much better plane killer than the LAV because I can kill anything within range and I’m not rolling the dice on badly modeled stingers which may be impossible to flare/juke or may decide all 8 don’t want to guide and you never know which.
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Regardless of which you think is better for SPAA (which is subjective), only one of them is actually useful for capping and destroying tanks, which is 10x more valuable than killing one of the two enemy planes to spawn whole game.
those 4-5 kills are 90% of the time either campers, or noobs that wouldn’t have any real effect on the match anyways. Besides, those are all close-range CAS that can easily be taken out with an actually useful vehicle, e.g BMP.
I beg to differ. My M19A1 KD is better than all my other SPAAs.
Thunderskill? yes. Players? no.
Your point was it would have to compete with IR SAMs. My point is the only American IR SAM is garbage, and thus no competition.
CAS mains: “why should we care about things we don’t even enjoy playing? since we already has our own game mode haha this game starts with planes…”
The audacity lol
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You cannot be good with the M19/M42/Ostwind 2 and shit at the M247 lmao, I’m still confused about you saying the T77E1 is not a good SPAA, maybe my sarcasm detector just isn’t working today.
“Just spawn AA bro”
Okay
“Not fair, AA make plane go bing bang ouch. Snail pls nurf :(“
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Because .50cals are extremely limited, both against planes and tanks.
Strawman 101
The comical thing is, it’s hardly even a strawman. This is the most cyclical, repetitive argument in the history of this game.
Tanker gets frustrated at CAS
CAS tells tanker to spawn AA
Tanker spawns AA
CAS cries about AA
CAS more powerful than AA is added
AA cries about CAS
CAS tells tanker to spawn CAP
Tanker gets frustrated at CAP spawn cost
CAS tells tanker to just spawn his AA then…
Rinse and repeat, ad nauseam, for a decade and counting.
CAS isn’t happy unless they can space bar half the enemy team with impunity. Tankers aren’t happy when they’re being space bar’d without adequate or realistic counterplay.
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