Oh no, I agree that the Gepard isn’t OP for the general player, the skill ceiling for that vehicle is just far higher if you want to make it an OP vehicle.
Vehicles like the Gepard, Chieftain Marksman and the ZA-35 all have rather low K/D’s for both air-and-ground targets, but are also some of the easiest to get a nuke in. They require more skill to perfect.
I would also take their use into account yes. SPAA have gone up a lot in BR if they killed ground targets disproportionally.
But thats the point. Thread subject is about SPAA being ridiculusly OP. Average stats don’t support that. There are always some outliers but in average SPAA is not OP by any metric otherwise Gaijins aoutmated algorithm would change is BR.
You neglect that the whole discussion is within the scope of SPAA interaction with CAS. Overall KDR is largely irrelevant, what is important is efficacy against CAS. In fact, the data you have does not say anything meaningful on this matter, due to confounding factors. Maybe this is too hard for you to understand, so simply: you are saying numbers that do not agree with you.
SPAA OP? Are you sure about that?
Data says what it says. SPAA is not OP. Outliers are just outliers. On average its not OP.
But wouldnt this lead to absurd outcomes?
Balancing top tier MBT according to their anti-air capability, as lowering them to a BR where they would be effective against air threats, would push post 2000 MBTs to like WW2/early cold war BRs.
Yes, falcon instantly comes to mind. But this also shows how absurd this line of logic is, Falcon is now at BR where it cant engage air targets effectively, leading to more players using it against ground targets, making the problem even bigger.
What are you doing man, you werent supposed to kinematically defeat those stingers!!!
You were supposed to fly straight and get yourself killed!!!
Yeah, I agree in the most part, like I said here:
Oh no, I’m basing it more on ground kills, as those are the key part of Ground Realistic to win a battle.
Again, falcon problem.
SPAAs simply require more nuance to balance agaisnt CAS thank tanks require to balance against other tanks.
I’m sorry, but at 8.3 the Falcon is still a great SPAA. I’m not the best player, but I still use it occasionally as an SPAA. (although I like to use the other 8.3’s more, as they have more munition to use as an SPAA)
Im not saying you cant like it, but its antiair capability when compared to other SPAAs of similiar BR is simply lacking due to lack of both search and track radar, and the global stats support this, look at the air kills when compared to ground kills.
Isn’t that about the same ratio as any other 8.3 SPAA? A bit lower, but still comparable, no? Almost SPAA have a low Air-kills/death also because there are sometimes just no air targets and because people like me also use them as light tanks.
At that range if they actually were accurate I would’ve been flaming scrap but since Gaijin refuses to fix them well… As you saw it’s honestly a breeze to outsmart them.
And without planes it is going to be worse because?
If a lot of people want to play tanks without having to deal with the air, the mode will not be worse for them.
There isn’t a single overpowered SPAA at 9.3 - 10.3.
Using statshark on mobile sucks, so im just gonna reuse the already posted gepard stats.
The ground kills and air kills number is much closer.
Let me say this even more simply for you. We have the data for Gepard: air kills (per spawn/total) ground kills (per spawn/total), and deaths. We do not know the K/D of Gepard against air targets from the data that you linked, because we do not know how many of those deaths are from aircraft. This goes for any SPAA.
What we can extrapolate, however, is that: majority of interactions of base Gepard are with tanks (because there are more than 3x more ground kills than air kills with Gepard). Therefore, most deaths are probably to tanks as well. Gepard is not especially suited to ground combat (although it can be powerful in the hands of a pro), so it’s low KDR can be at least partially explained by its incorrect use by players.
Yeah.
Now imagine something like the swiss hunter, they wont even have the range to threaten it.
But hey, SPAA OP, am i right?
So let us make a small discussion.
What a gun SPAA without HE-VT can do about a heli that is able to use guided rockets at 3.5 km distance?
