i dont get spaas in tech tree but Why do I need to research spaas in the tech tree if I can get them for free? Why i need to waste the time?
get in this case, as you dont understand spaas
I could just as well say that you don’t understand spaa. After all, you don’t know how much or how I’ve played the spaa I get for free. you cant just say that i dont understand spaa.
oh i can, cause you dont seem to realise your only experience is on tank destroyer spaas
Both the adats and the CS/SA 5 can be used to hunt and destroy tanks.
The CS trough its cannons and the adats has multi purpose rockets.
Do you seriously think the tank destroyer spaas like adata, CS/SA5, pantsir play the same as
Iris-t slm, nasams flarakrad, sky sabre , type 03, ito, and so on?
Most of those spaas cant even target tanks.
my friend, 95% of the spaas cant even do that.
You play spaas as tank destroyers with anti aircraft on the side when sth pops up on your radar.
Normal spaas have to wait and cant do anything else.
You have absolutly no idea what you are doing, since you dont even focus on enemy aircraft and likely get taken out by tanks most of the time before aircraft even get to you
You can’t speak for me. I’m focusing on enemy aircraft, while you’re spouting nonsense without even knowing the truth. I’m simply saying that the CS/SA-5 can destroy tanks.
yes, i use it for both sides. to focus on aviation, and destroy tanks
it can target aviation
adats, cs/sa5, pantsir s1 and smsv, adats m113, otomatic, ito-90,lvkv 9040c. that is NOT
5% bro
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lost cause
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A plane has the ability to wipe out an entire team, an SPAAG cant do that.
Consider CAS as a killstreak vehicle or smth like that.
Smoke or/and get into cover, they are glide bombs, you have more than enough time to react.
depends on the angle they are coming in, they can dive pretty steep and plenty top tier spaas in fact do not have smokes
not to mention those gliders will in fact switch to GNSS, so smokes dont realy do all to much as well depending on how spread out they are coming in
or just have big payloads if its KH 38 and so on
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They need to completely remove the SP cost for A2A weapons at a start, but I do think the base cost of aircraft should also be reduced, even if the cost of the loadouts was increased so that the final amount remained largely the same.
I see little reason why something like a Sea Harrier FA2 with nothing but A2A missiles should cost more than 2-3x that of an SPAA. Let alone the current 10x cost it has at the moment
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Cough cough leopard 2 marksman cough cough 35mm oerlikon cough
Good luck while facing mbts frontally and not clueless.
After 1 second I put a good sabot in that huge ammo rack in the turret.
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RIP Falcon.
There are a few SPAAs here and there that probably shouldnt cost the same standard amount of SP, not saying a huge increase, maybe around 100-140SP would be more appropriate for them due to their ability to do a lot of damage on the ground. For example the ZA-35. (perticuarly where there is another SPAA option that could remain at 70, which for the ZA-35 would be the Marksman)
2 things: 1) nobody forces you to attack from front; 2) there are spots which let you nuke entire crew with aphe.
If you need to flank and aim at little weakspot against tanks at your same BR then its not overpowered, guess what you can do the same with a sdkfz at top tier, does that means its op?? no.
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How much aiming at little weakspots did you see here:
If you can maintain lets say at least 3 kill/spawn ratio on it after around 5000 battles.
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Killing from the sides and behind, is it really that impressive?? I seen brdm, and other 20mm rats do the same.
Notice how no enemy went to B or covered the river, notice how even after shooting and explosions next to the enemy no one reacts? so is it a op vehicle or just player skill issues??
I assure you if the enemy team would have more than 1 IQ the TAM would hear the IPSV flaking to his right, or the rest of the enemy team hearing the explosions behind them and the teamates marks dissapearing from the map.
Not impossible, but hard, as same as the 35mm spaas (not counting air targets).
That was impressive enough to move fox from 6.7 or 7.0 to 8.0 btw. Tell me, how many tanks can do the same in same amount of time? How many tanks at that br have hpt ratio of leo 2? How many tanks have top tier level horizontal / vertical drives? And how many tanks have dual 35mm aphe/apds dispencers with immense firerate?
How many of them did that in 1 minute since match started?
If players would think then those players wouldnt be average wt playerbase. Also I can justify any op thing based on “if enemy team would have more than 1 iq” rhetoric. If enemy wasnt stupid, they would have spawned mig23ml and shot down tram. If enemy wasnt stupid, they would have shot bmpt driver port instead of asking devs to send it to higher and higher brs.
bmp2, bmp2m, bmp3, brdm-4, EBRC, Ajax, ZSU-57, M-42, Kugerblitz, 2s38, hstvl, etc, etc, etc.
Not the same time tho, but enough to pull the same killstreak with that flankings
Many, and even faster than a leo chasis
Your average player base can be stupid, but not that stupid like in that video.
Also BMPT volumetrics/ERA are fckd up that even a driver hatch shot will not guarantee a kill. Its not related.
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Much worse hpt ratio, guidance speeds and only 1 inferior cannon.
First 2 bmp issues but also much higher br and much faster and stronger enemies. Mbts move faster than you.
9.3 with even worse 2a72 and huge atgm reload. You have nothing going for you for 26 seconds. Hpt ratio is worse as well. Oh I forgot to mention accuracy nerfs. Not only you have worse ammo and firerate, you also miss modules.
Shadow of its former self after br and accuracy nerfs. And faces actual mbts with decent mobility and gun handling. Sliming leo 1 ≠ polishing barrels of m1 or leo 2a4.
You are facing much stronger enemies than itpsv.
It has no stab or outstanding mobility
Duster? Much slower, much worse firerate and ammo. And crew is exposed and asking to get shot at with mg.
12 hp ton is nowhere close to 30 hp ton.
Slow firerate, slow chassis, stronger and faster enemies.
It could be solid candidate if it didnt face top tier tanks and had more consistent dmg.
They are worse at this job than itpsv. Much worse.
At 8.7? Faster than 30 hpt? I only recall xm800t but it has much worse ammo, survivability and is light. Which is disadvantage because trash slows you down more.
Those 2 videos were made when bmd 4 was at 9.3.
It can be that bad, even stats prove it. Vast majority of players gets around 1 kill every 2 respawns.
Either way, this is going offtopic so I guess we can just agree to disagree.
It is a losing battle that any CAS player fights. Whether on the battlefield or in discussion. The reason SP costs for SPAA are so low, and SP costs for CAS so high, is due in large part to the people who do not have a plane, do not want to put the effort into researching a plane, hate seeing any planes in game, and incessantly whine for any nerf to CAS, no matter how unbalanced or unrealistic. These people do not listen to reason or logic; they do not care for concepts such as “fairness” or “equality”. The only thing they will do is advocate in their self-interest, and that self-interest is exactly to make CAS as useless and irrelevant to the match as possible.
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