Holy shit the Soviet stuff It’s just overpowerd
T-80UD
HOW is it 10.3, “Lets make 11.7 but put it in 10.3” Oh “It has worse reverse speed and worse ammo” Like it matters when 87% of all incomming shots do jackshit. And you can just play point and click one shot adventure with Mango which is overperforming…
BMPT and BMPT-72
Why is it 10.3??
So you have T-72B hull, with Relict ERA AND SPALL LINERS…How is it 10.3???
“But it has 2A42 and 4 missiles” yea sure buddy 9M120 can be usefull but that autocannon
Tell me when did Soviets/Russians made a good autocannon…In real life never
In WarThunder…That’s a differend story
T-series tanks
Why can they survive shot into the autoloader? Ammo is right there…“It has armour plating so it won’t expload” oh you mean that thin metal sheet? That has no effect in real life (Look Ukraine) but in WT 120mm Sabot right in ammo, does jackshit
How can you rotate the turret when Autoloader is out?
Western tanks have now modeled turret basket, so now when it gets shot you can’t somehow rotate the turret? How, please tell me how that works, it’s just a turret floor, how has that an effect on a turret rotation?
But when you destroy an autoloader in a T-series than it can rotate the turret, how? Since the autoloader (not the ammo carousel) has to be in line with the turret
Right now I am crashing out, the ammount of bullshit this “REALISTIC” game has to offer
Western tanks are worse and Strongest nation in the World has better and more equal Tanks
Source; Common sence
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? T-80UD doesn’t have 3BM60, thermals, or mobility seen at 11.7 in other tech trees.
Soviets don’t have a great autocannon in-game either.
NATO countries surpassed it.
BMPT is OP of course.
Because the average player can’t aim that well.
Apart from the BMPTs and perhaps the 2S38, the overall lineup isn’t OP. It’s good, but not OP.
T80UD still very much competes with and outfights 10.7 and even some 11.0 tanks of other nations.
Tell that to my many many shots into ammo that turns it black and disapears and does nothing. There seriously need to be a balance, if Nato tanks can’t rotate there turrer when the basket gets hit then a hit to the autoloading mechanism should do the exact some.
RU can literally make a decent line up from event/prem vehicles alone without taking any tech tree ones. can’t think of another nation with this ability
Not really.
11.0s definitely not, all other tech trees have better 11.0s.
10.7? Maybe. Leopard 2A4 and Abrams’ trade ammo for more mobility and thermals.
China has 10.3s firing effectively the same ammo with thermals and slightly higher mobility.
Ariete P trades armor for mobility and thermals at 10.3.
T-80B fires the same ammo with notably higher mobility and thermals.
Challenger Mk3 has a bit more mobility, and thermals.
Vickers Mk7 is just a flat out upgrade over the others. Decent armor for the BR, good mobility, good round, and thermals.
So while T-80UD is potentially 10.7, it’s not objectively better than any of them.
It’s all trade offs.
Correct me if I’m wrong but doesn’t the UD not mean its an export model? I mean with the desiel engine its got about the same mobility as a T-72 series tank.
3BM42 is still a very strong round for 10.3. Armour is still good and mobility is pretty much on part with other 10.7’s So I’d personally like to see some of RU tech get moved to 10.7 some even further to 11.0-11.3
Agree’d
T80UD has much better armor, a great gun, decent mobility. The only argument people keep bringing up is “reverse gear”. Otherwise it can absolutely go punch for punch with the 10.7s or even many 11.0s. Hell it arguably is better than the 2A4 and early Abrams.
Disagree, some tech tree’s like the UK make a massive jump from 10.7 to 11.7 and completely skip out 11.0 - 11.3 , some tree’s only have maybe 1x 11.0 tank ( I don’t disagree with your original point just the part I quoted )
I wouldn’t say potentially but rather it is a 10.7 tank. I don’t really understand why RU gets so many 10.3’s when other nations pretty much only get a decent 10.7 lineup
3BM42 is the average round capacity for 10.3 and 10.7 though with most MBTs using similarly effective or better rounds of those two BRs.
Out of the 10 MBTs at 10.3, the 3 firing worse rounds are Leopard 2AV, Challenger Mk2, TTD.
And the 1 firing a better round is 120S, firing a round better than 3BM60.
Out of the 18 MBTs [No, I’m not counting Object 292.] at 10.7, the 10 firing worse rounds are 8 Leopard 2A4 variants, and 2 Abrams.
And the one firing a better round is T-72M2 Moderna.
So 13 vehicles firing worse rounds, and 13 firing equal rounds, and 2 firing better rounds.
At 11.0, of the 5 MBTs present, only 2 fire worse rounds: MSC and PT-16/T14 mod.
The other 3 fire 3BM60 equivalent rounds.
4.3/5.7 Germany, 12.0/7.0/6.7/6.3/5.7 USA, 9.0 China (maybe), and 8.0 France can all make a good tank lineup with just premium/event tanks, and acceptable CAS is also in most of those.
This isn’t unique to Russian tanks, but I do agree that all ammo should always explode when made black.
Because several of the tanks there aren’t 10.7 worthy.
Then I see no real reason to keep most RU tanks at 10.3, I also checked out some 10.7’s and I’d say based on flat pen and angled at 500m-1000m there all fairly equal with only slight pen differences. So if would have to be other factors as to why they wish to keep them at 10.3
But one could argue that some RU stuff is just broken around 10.0-10.3 and should be moved up to balance them out more “looking at you 2S25M with your 3BM60 at 10.0”
So i was going to take what you wrote seriously then I remembered we talking about 10.3 and none of the other BR’s. Also saying that USA can make a good lineup at 12.0 is kinda funny. Its just a load of copy past Abrams and 2 light tanks. one of which the AGS has less pen then a 10.0 RU light tank by almost 200mm pen
Never made the claim is unique to RU, but its alot more common for RU tanks not to have this happen then other nations from my own personal experience.
Which ones??
2S38
BMPT-72/BMPT
BMP 2M
all of the T-72’s at 10.3
Every one of those would be competative at 10.7, just a single BR move up. and some of them I’d say need a min of 11.3
Remember, the BMPT gets spall liners at 10.3, which very few MBT’s (if any) that have spall liners at 10.3
And the win rates when Russia is on your team is day and night.
I don’t want the BMPT to get directly nerfed, just moved up in BR to at least 11.3 or 11.7
I’d also like to see the win% of GER in a week or so because dam, spading the Ajax and M10 Booker ( not finished this one yet ) 99% of my matches were RU+GER which made for a most unplesent grind with my win rates dropping to under 30% some days
you need to hit the ammo in the autoloader, not just the carousel, if they don’t have a full carousel then the empty sections of the loader will eat the spalling, something that modules have been famous for doing long before the autoloader was modeled but people demanded it be added anyway and attacked anybody that pointed that out for “trying to keep Russian tanks OP”
Russian tanks in Ukraine are carrying almost entirely HE loads, near 100kg of TNT, thats what causes the huge detonations, people also don’t post videos of tanks that get hit and don’t blow up so you can’t base ammo detonation chance of “well every Russian tank video on YouTube blows up” Russia has yards full of tanks that got hit and didn’t blow up that are being repaired.
It should at most slow it, it’s a dumb mechanic.
Pretty much every new autocannon tank has been under BRed on release due to Gaijin constantly underestimating their performance, remember the PUMA on it’s release?
Actually there are loads that are just ammo cookoffs, I’d say there is maybe a 10-1 ratio of cookoff’s instead of turret tosses out there. But in both sinario’s your not recovering and fixing those any time soon. cook-offs are gonna leave the internals completely burned out if not compramised too much for re-use
Yeah, cookoffs are not as spectacular as a full on detonation, usually just a few seconds of flame coming out the hatches, gun barrel or turret ring if the hatches and gun breech where closed, it would be near impossible to judge the internal damage just from external pictures so you cant really tell which tanks are going to be scrapped and which repaired.
But I’m just trying to make the point that judging the survival rates of tanks off online clips isn’t a reliable method as people will tend to post the more dramatic clips and that goes either way, obviously each side is going to post their own tanks surviving crazy hits and of the enemy ones being destroyed in the most dramatic manner.
while the russian 11.7 t80 gets bm60, the 11.3 t80u doesnt get bm60 either.
the fact people think the t80ud is balanced at 10.3 is blatant defenders of op tanks.