I think the best thing to do is give it a rate of fire nerf. Since its got the best shells in the game and fantastic armour players will need to learn to make their shots count. 60 second aced reload rate.
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Reduce from 1.7 to 2.6
rounds per minute?
yes
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2.6 RPM is a huge reload buff from 1.7
23 seconds vs. 35
Well, 1.7 is with 0 crew level, 2 shells with maximum level, although we have an automatic loader installed there
Sovetsky Soyuz is just a overpowered fake ship with the clear Russian bias. Half of russian fantasy and half of real data. (I am against all fake things in game, I wish we had clean historical mode, that doesnt allow fake things, or at least its allow builded working test vechicles…)
Just some “google” it.
First: its apcbc should have 25.7 kg tnt, not 39.58 kg ( Russia / USSR 406 mm/50 (16") Pattern 1937 - NavWeaps
Second: “During trials it was also noted that the gun had dispersion problems, which were due to the low quality of the propellant and shells.” So it shall be much more worse aim precision, specially at long range.
Third: It has way worse armor protection, because the soviet naval industry failed to build cemented armor plates thicker than 230 millimeters. Sovetsky Soyuz-class battleship - Wikipedia
Fourth: The propulsion system change estimated 28 knots. But the original tested speed was only 20 knots.
So at least we need:
- The accuracy need to be much worse, large dispersion patterns.
- Sapcbc ok, but apcbc TNT need to reduce to real power.
- Need correction (lowering) the armor penetration too (use as source “Entsiklopedia Otechestvennoi Artillerii” (Encyclopedia of Fatherland (Russian) Artillery) by A.V. Shirokorad)
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Soviet bilion tnt shell magic strikes again.
Also why does gaijin think extra 500 m or 2 km is enough range for those top ships? We wanted at least 20+ km maps so that positioning matters and not get spawned 8-12 km away so that armour barely matters and everyone penetrates everything from spawn.
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Yeah lets also make it realistic that the guns stop workings after 150 shells if they want such insane velocity which was only tested on few shells on the ground. Or just lower the velocity. Also I really doubt the sap round would retain the penetration power when its basically made of TNT with more tnt than most HE shells.
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I am sure I have studied history, but could it be that the Soviet Navy was a naval state that was so dominant over the Japanese and U.S. Navies?
Could it be that a mere project ship of a nation with no significant navy was more capable than the great warships of Japan and the U.S.?
Maybe they weren’t so great?
You got them now. They are not fun. First 10 minutes you can’t hit anyone properly, and then you can’t kill anyone properly cause of armor and balistics.
Lets make a paper ship with 10meters of armor and also put it in the game… No wonder people have ussr bias, the armor and guns are beyond a joke.
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Yk Yamato spawns in maps like this too right? Thats like 8 km away spawn
Maps like this should be up to 6.3 br not 8.7. 8.0+ should have at least 20+ km maps min.
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Well, the accuracy should be such that you can hit a house at a distance of 36 km.
Wikipedia is not a source, and you also have no data on the capabilities of the Soviet industry in 1943-45
Wikipedia says 28, so it would be 28
Can’t have them both at the same time. Wiki is either no source or a legitimate source, but it can’t be both.
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“hit a house at a distance of 36 km”. Where is your source? Or is it a joke? Just asking, because it would be the miracle with the world war 2 tech…
Ok wiki is not an option. Than: Sovetsky Soyuz - Soviet Battleships (1938)
Same text that the armor is not thicker as 230mm…
Or read this:
“The works providing the armor could not provide plates thicker than 230mm. In November 1940, it
was decided to replace the cemented plate with face-hardened plate for areas
greater than 8in. This was a significant decrease in protection since Soviet
non-cemented plate proved to be much more brittle during tests.”
Source: Mark Stille - Super-Battleships of World War II_ Montana-class, Lion-class, H-class, A-150 and Sovetsky Soyuz-class
Or this:
“Given the state of the Soviet shipbuilding industry at the time and the size
and complexity of the Sovetsky Soyuz-class, there was no real danger that
these ships would ever be completed. Armor production was insufficient, and
much of the armor that was finished was rejected by the shipyards because of
poor quality. Machinery also proved hard to complete; not a single turbine
unit was ever completed from the design provided by the Swiss. There were
also problems with fabrication of the propeller shafts and the main gun
turrets. Shipyards had problems instituting welding, which meant these ships
were still built mainly with rivets”
Or:
“As the Soviets themselves assessed, the ships possessed
significant weaknesses, including inadequate antiaircraft protection, no
provision for radar, weak horizontal and underbottom protection, and
insufficient speed compared to modern foreign battleships. Though the ships
would have mounted very long-range 16in. guns, giving them a theoretical
advantage over foreign adversaries, this meant nothing since the range of the
weapon far outstripped the range of the optical fire control system on board.
The lack of radar for fire control of the main battery or the antiaircraft
battery would have placed them at a severe disadvantage against any of the
other super-battleships.”
And the propulsion: yeah, we dont accept wiki, right?..
But okay, I accept the 27.5 knots, if the armor and armament get the correction. Deal?
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The only thing that is useful there is a more detailed photo of the ship. And so this is a variety of Wikipedia at the Airvar level
Can you provide a link to the line where it is mentioned that the speed of the ship (which has not even left the dry dock) should be 20 knots with a design speed of 27.5, which is lower than the original 30?
And so if you want to prove something to the snails, you can try to request documents from the state archive.
https://rgavmf.ru/fond/r-840/fond-r-840-opis-4
Only 3 swiss boilers were integrated, and never get tested. Only the estimated speed known. With the first “original” propulsion (what it was tested, own russian propulsion system, cant do over 20knt), thats why they changed to the swiss ones.
And bye the way: I linked the source, its from a researcher, Mark Stille - Super-Battleships of World War II_ Montana-class, Lion-class, H-class, A-150 and Sovetsky Soyuz-class
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