What do you mean fucking opinion? You can literally google that shit and its the first thing to come up if you search Sovetsky Soyuz-class.
Yeah Gaijin should differentiate better between the armo types. But dont you see how its a very questionable decision giving Soyuzs complete cope solution the best possible armor type? Thats like modeling the thick frontplate of a Tiger II in composite just because.
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googling XD. And where those ‘googling’ got reference. I mean, documented reference.
Please don’t tell me ‘It’s unreliable because it is Soviet document’. That is No.1 reason why such claims are ignored by Gaijin.
Do you have a soviet source that the soviets could produce RCA thicker than 230mm? Ofc you dont because there is none
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Because none such claims it. At least I know of Imepratritsa Mariya built more than 20 years before Soyuz has 260mm of Cemented Armor, and Imperial architects assure that if Navy wants, Izmail could have 282 mm of Cemented Armor, so clearly over 230 mm.
The Russian Imperial Navy? The same navy the communist revolution purged to the point that the soviets suffered a brain drain in their naval construction and infrastructure? Please tell me your joking.
Yard plans do exist, not that I specifically have them for Soyuz.
Yeah but thats my point. All other ships even the fake ones have some real life non paper example to deduct performance from. Soyuz doesnt have that its all just “if the soviets were actually capable of bulding it it would have totally performed like that, comrade stalin”
Guns were used in the defense of Leningrad.
I feel we had this conversation before and it came down to a stalemate because neither of us would budge.
The cemented steel plates in her design would have been imported from Germany if they had not invaded Russia. Since Germany did invade Russia, different plates which would have resulted in lesser armor protection.
As far as I personally know, many of the components that would have been placed on her (AA suite, fire control, secondary battery) were all built and used by the soviet navy in some capacity. Not that I know russian equipment all that well.
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That discussion has been held dozens of times since that ship got added. Ofc it doesn’t result in a satisfying conclusion, because you can’t properly analyze something that never existed. The whole situation is just insanely frustrating and ridiculous when a ship not-made by a country that’s naval industry was an absolute joke compared to it’s contemporaries starts absolutely demolishing actually existing and legendary battleships just because the devs added it in an unachievable, perfect state instead of using its flaws to create a balanced rendition.
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That is not what I mean. Even when Yamato doesnt die instanly with the explosion once in a while. It just never fixes the hole in time. While soyuz can fix it even from two ammoracks at the same time. Yamato just sunks in few seconds. Its just such unfair nonsence that any ammo explosion = sunk.
^as here (ofc absolutely absurd angle which shouldnt pen at all OFC FROM SOYUZ) but I got 2 ammorack left 58 % crew and it just sunks in matter of seconds (why am I still playing this buggy mess “Yamato” I dont bloody know - I guess just to prove the point and see if something got fixed - it didnt)
Meanwhile irl Yamato : gets sunk after this level of damage that would sink whole fleets
And Musashi - Suffered roughly 17 bombs and 19 torpedo hits then took about four hours to sink.
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3 changes that would balance Soyuz that historically reasonable.
- Replace RCA armour over 230mm with RHA
- Replace Shell HE content with TNT
- Reduce Reload speed to 30 seconds
Russia now has a ship equivalent to Iowa rather than a power fantasy that stomps on Iowa. Add Lion and H-39 to Britain and Germany and wow. A variety of top tier ships with something resembling balance. RIP France and Italy though.
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Just give it 45 s reloading as Littorio ships currently have, that would be fair 👍
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While im all for Yamato getting her protection up to par, lets not ahead of our selves here. Battleships like Yamato take a long time to go down regardless of the amount of firepower dropped on her.
Kirishima for an example took hours to sink from mutiple body blows from Washingtons 16" and took hours to sink. And we all know that Kongos protection isnt particularly effective against shells of that caliber.
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Contrary to common belief, it does not. Halt of building Impeiral navy’s non-comissioned ships in Soviet era was more due to those ship’s obsolesence and shortage of budget at that time, more than problem of Infrasturcture and personnel.
For example, the main reason of halting Izmail was that Soviet navy saw non-superfiring 14’’ gun battlecruiser at 1928, when all the superpower has 16’’ capital ship, is too obsolesence, and Army needs budget first.
So the ship was halted, but construction of 14’’ guns were still ongoing to be used as railway battery.
15,000 tons of reserve buoyancy in real life by the way. You think that fact would matter.
Yamato shouldn’t be this ‘invincible behemoth’ in game but she sure as hell shouldn’t be one-tapped by a 40.6cm SAP to the deck at 17km.
Let alone 38 and 35.6 guns.
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God imagine if France didnt have the worst top tier Experience currently in the game.
I’ve heard that France has a couple of design studies that have the potential to be competitive at the level of Soyuz, but they’re so incredibly early that they rival the Tillman designs in terms of development progress. No idea about Italy. At least their 15" guns are at the level of Yamato and Iowa from sheer penetration power though.
I leave it to the reader to decide whether or not these are up to Soyuz-standard:
and a quick glance at the rest of the chapter reveals that these barely made it to the drawing board, so unless gaijin lowers the (already abysmally low) bar of ‘it has to be laid down’, these will not make it into the game.
What’s important about the Yamato battleship’s design is that it didn’t have the thick armor that everyone sees, but rather thin, mille-feuille-like armor covering the sides of the hull.
This armor itself was the original armor, and its purpose was to protect against blasts and shrapnel, and to prevent water ingress.
However, Gaijin states that “armor that is too thin will not affect shell protection, so it will not be modeled.”
This seems to ignore the designs of many battleships that fought in the Pacific.
In fact, Yamato in the game has no armor in its vital parts, only large module .
The ammunition magazines and barbettes were probably split into several modules, but in the game they are one module.
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Depending on the performance of the 16" guns, Type 2 might be okay. Type 3 would be more fun with 12 barrels, but…
Still, this requires them to allow the bar to be lowered to the point where the Tillman insanity is allowed, so probably not happening unless gaijin really gets desperate for ships.