Understandable, the current AF chief is a former Flanker pilot and has served as the commander of Flankers squadron
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Yea but this isn’t just one off things, there are other picture before these as well that show the Minister of Defence really has taken alike to su-57
man i guess if you email the sales rep and say you lost the model you could gain a small air force of models though the mail.
Its called a love hate relationship.
ID NAVY NEWS:
New (not new at all) ships being bought:
- 7x Chinese Type 053H3 Frigates
- 3x Type 039A Submarines
- 28x Type 22 Missile Boats
Both the Frigates and the Missile Boats (& by extension the Garibaldi Carrier) will be “Turkified”, basically replacing the Chinese internal components with Turkish ones
AIR FORCE NEWS:
1 sqd is around 12-16. J-10 is apparently the only batch, whereas the KAAN is only the first batch of many.
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Buying a plane that will not serve until 2030, the Indonesian government is really bold.🤔
well when you’re trying to make your own jets there’s not a whole lotta options to learn the tech from, we already got some through the KF21, but were still missing some knowledge, hence this.
the jet could crumble, or it could succeed, who knows
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I do wonder if it will go ahead. They’ve yet to produce a robust powerplant as per the MoU. Whether Indo would amend for American engines remains to be seen. After all, they did announce a 120-Month delivery window when signing earlier this year.
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Is there any changes with the Kaan’s engine due to the American export issue or is that overblown?
not really for us. From what I remember the deal was specifically to use Turkish-Made engines (could be wrong). So bad for the Turks maybe, but not us
It’s bad for them because No engine → No flights → No tests → No data to develop from → Progress delays and/or stagnation. If they have to wait for their own engine development to catch up before commencing test flights and integration tests, that can easily delay the project by years. And if they can’t produce an adequate robust engine in time… no deal. no delivery. no money.
It’s only bad for us if this causes significant delays with the project, extending the delivery date. Or if no Turkish engine is made, Indonesia would’ve wasted time and operational planning whilst having to find an alternative quickly and usually quick alternative decisions are horribly made.
precisely why we still have the KF-21 on the table as an option if it does fails
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Redirecting...
https://www.tempo.co/politik/menteri-pertahanan-belum-bisa-pastikan-pembelian-jet-tempur-chengdu-j-10-2082297
So apparently its not guaranteed as of yet
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Likely usual fog of war stuff. Some nations will deny having stuff in service for years even when there is 100% proof. Though J-10 may be different due to stuff.
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Now it seems that the vehicles Gaijin will use for the bidding have also been taken as the basis for release. So do Thailand, Malaysia, and Indonesia have such vehicles that have undergone testing? The only one I know of is Malaysia’s T-84.
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Oh I forgot this ,it’s a T90S?
list of trialed vehicles for Indonesia:
Ground
ERC 90 F1 Lynx
AMX-13/retrofit
SK-105 & Wiesel were tested for actual purchase, SK-105 lost to the Scorpion 90, Wiesel sale got blocked because of the East Timor thing. ERC 90 was tested in conjunction with the arrival of the AMX-10P, AMX-13 is a foreign modification spec trialed by the Cavalry that might be the basis for the Yonkav 2,
for details on the amx-13/retrofit check here: PT PINDAD AMX-13/105 Retrofit (Yonkav 2) - Indonesia's modernization program for the aging AMX-13 fleet - #7 by NFrost51
Air
AMX
Mirage-2000
AMX lost to the Hawks 100/200s since its more expensive to maintain. Our pilots flew the Mirage-2000 for the competition of contract between it & the F-16s, M2000 was deemed too expensive so Dassault then offered Super Etendard instead, but both eventually lost to the F-16, Super Etendard was not tested i dont think.
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Thailand has tested and trialed a lot of vehicles. I’ve listed some of them in another thread.
But in short, here are some of them
- Leopard 1A5
- Vickers Mk3
- Fox ARV
- SK-105
- TH-301
- M-41GTI
- OF-40
- Abrams
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This one is also more interesting than it sounds at least, since it uses the welded turret rather than the cast one all current Leopard 1A5s use in game
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