Negative. Only the F16As got their G limiters removed. The block 10s were already the lightest energy retaining F16s. Now GJ has made them into the high alpha fighters the original airframe was designed to be.
The F16AJ is the only block 10 in game with SARH capability. The AJ might be the only F16A block 10 with sparrows ever in WT.
The F16C is heavy, though it can out climb and out rate everyone with its enormous thrust, it is nowhere as nimble as the block 10s. Being that it has the same exact missiles as the AJ and a copy paste radar of the MLU.
I will take the AJ all day over the F16C. I’ve tested both extensively.
What about the HMD for the F16C? One might say. Not relevant. I can point my nose wherever and whenever I please in the Block 10s with its new FM. IR and SARHs.
Whereas the F16C has to slow down and cut throttle drastically to get any bite in its turn. The thrust is very strong and will degrade your turn radius substantially and Aim9Ls lack the high off boresight capability. You still have to point your nose somewhat at the target regardless of HMD.
Oh nice, a surprise Swedish premium jet. Too bad it’s fully CAS, all though Sweden could use it, it’s not my play style.
Anyone got any leads for any other surprise premium jets? Any nation/BR as long as it’s air-to-air oriented.
They fixed the R73s. They were overperforming where the missiles would immediately pull 160° in any direction off the rail directly at a target no matter how close it is or if it’s going in the completely opposite direction. It would actually fly through the nose of the Mig29 going after targets completely disregarding the forces the Mig29 is applying at launch. Essentially it was impossible to jam the R73 WEZ in a dogfight. The missiles weapon employment envelope was literally infinite.
Now it’s based in reality and the missile actually has to gain acceleration first to separate from the Mig29 instead of falling off the aircraft and immediately go for the target no matter how fast it is going. The missile has to actually gain energy and lift to achieve full performance.
the introductory hungarian sub tree additions in my opinion
favourites: Turan III, KF41, BTR80
good: zsaba, Turan I, Zrinyi II, Leo2A4
meh: T-72M, Shilka
bad unnecessary additions: ZSU-57-2, 2S1
existence of 2s1 and both soviet spaas block or heavily reduce the chance of seeing palmaria sph, leo1 40mm bofors and OF-40 cheetah spaa respectively.
iconic vehicles like the nimrod and toldis are missing in the starting line up.
and even panthers and tigers used by hungarians at tier 4 instead of the 2s1 could have been a massive prestige boost towards this hungarian sub tree. after all gaijin hasn’t even given soviets in the game T-VI the soviet captured tiger.
not a bad start but with a lot of missed opportunity, hope to see improvements.
The R73 isnt an IRIS-T its supposed to be like that, you also have to remember its an R73E not an M
Of course I could be wrong ill fully accept if I am.
Of course no missile is supposed to clip through a plane, but no one is going to build a thrust vectoring missile specifically for dogfights that only really starts turning in the last second of their motor’s duration. They will clear the plane, and go, they won’t spend 3 seconds being a glorified Python 3 and then start using their tvc. As it stands it’ll barely turn, then slam into full tvc, spin out of control and explode. Idk about you mate but that seems pretty wrong to me and if this is the way they’re implementing them I’m not even going to bother using them
Also isn’t the minimum engagement range for these things 300 meters?
I feel like current implementation is fair, was it really fair for Russia to have the best IR AND SARH missle on the same plane? No and it still is the best missle even “nerfed” but this version is far more realistic, and the videos youre talking about are the R73M and R74.
The 73M’s upgrade was in its seeker, not in its maneuverability. I’m not talking about its fov, the in game fov has remained unchanged at 40° (or 45 idk exactly). The 73 we have in warthunder right now doesn’t perform as it should… as is evident from the fact it you know, loses control half the time. And the immense delay in it using its tvc supposedly being implemented to fix that. Which, in true gaijin fashion, actually just made it worse. As I said, the minimum engagement distance for the base R-73 is 300 meters. Good luck getting anywhere near that in warthunder with how they currently behave
Raises the question though, is what you’re saying actually based on anything or do you just believe it was too powerful so it needs gimped maneuverability.
Not meant in an offensive way, I’m just curious. Because if you do actually have something to show me it should behave as it does right now, do share that. Would benefit everyone involved
From what ive seen on the dev server youre over exaggerating its nerf, it still vectors quick enough to be useful in a dog fight and from what I can find the R73E and base versions have a 45 degree OBS limit on the rail up to 60 degrees on launch once cleared of the aircraft and once sufficient lift is aquired, also the R73M gains improved IRCCM and aditional on rail OBS up to 60-65 degrees and off up to 75 degrees.
Not to mention theres still a week until the patch relax.
Again, I never said it’s gimbal limit is off. I said its maneuverability is off, because it is. And no worries mate as I said, that wasn’t meant in an offensive way, if it comes to these things I’ll keep whatever good source I can get my hands on. So if you got one, share it
Yeah I might seem “aggressive” I suppose I dont mean to come off that way im just weird and enjoy a good debate, give me a moment I dont have the direct source but the most common that ive seen across multiple websites is a book called Soviet/Russian weapons since WW2 By Gordon, Yefim
Since I don’t own that book could you send me the websites instead? Don’t really feel like digging through sketchy pdf’s rn lol. Because still, most if not all websites (most of which will list that book as a source) will tell you its min engagement range is 300 meters. Not whatever wt gives you. Remember that you can still have that min range with 45° on the rail, you don’t need the upgraded seeker for that :p
Rosoboronexport also lists it as 300 meters on the 73E, which is just an export 73. And as far as I know they’re the dudes selling those things so, yeah