Sons of Attila - Rumor Round-Up and Discussion (Part 2)

Lmao not even close.

IRIST was not something new for US military, they even used that technology on F8E crusader.

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you’re telling me that a plane developed in the 1955 using a similar system to the IRIST used the IRIST made in the 2000’s?

their YT channel and all other public information is being made by a subgroup of thr MADs Psychological warfare division

a former coworker of mine was deployed there, he claims about everything public you get from Bundeswehr channels is fake

İ didnt say that.

What im saying is IRIST was not something new for Us when they encountered Mig29.

Gaijin really half assing it with the Indian T-90 goes to show how much of a CP it is when it’s not even got indigenous ammo selection

i dont watch their youtube but i do see their new’s articles, but i guess its good to know tho at this point i’d rather take that than people just building up even more crazy stuff like people biased towards germany or german haters tbh, but sadly its the same with all media at this point

Lmao bullshit.

Amraam development was started in 1980’s, not to mention first generation of R27’s wasnt better then Sparrows. When R27ER entered the service Amraam was already developed and entered the service couple months later.

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Top down kills is the number one way to get a kill with the R-60M as it has NO energy to keep up with almost anything in top tier.

The idea is make the R-73 (not sure how historically accurate this is) a missile that can occasionally chase a target instead of dropping like a fly, and ideally, shrug off a flare or two. Not sure about anyone else, but I 100% of the time have to cut my after burner AND flare to shake off an AIM-9L, that’s all us Russian mains are asking for in return with the R-73.

I think where the compromise is with the two is that the AIM-9 will chase you down like a bloodhound on to your scent, where as the R-73 will go a little longer than before, yet still give up, and in return, is more forgiving in terms of launch angles.

Different. Balanced (assuming they fix it).

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That’d only solve the problem for American Phantoms. My idea to fix that problem would be to move the top aircraft up to 12.7. there’s enough aircraft to fill the matchmaker anyway, but then ensure that F-4s and MiG-23s aren’t being mincemeated by some MiG-29 SMT launching walls of skill at you from out of nowhere xD

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To be fair i’d accept that compromise, so long as i’m not expected to dodge it in a Tornado F.3 or Phantom FG.1 as is. When Tornado F.3 gets something more competitive in terms of BVR, then i’d be prepared to go for that option.

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R-73 is still broken, so 9L is still the best missile in game. Again, I admit I don’t know enough about the 7M, give it an upgrade too then. They’re already annoying as hell to fight against, and half the reason I play BVR, and then circle down to mop up with my gimpy a$$ nubby R-60M’s.

IRIST system was made in the 2000’s and you are confusing their systems because IRIST was a system made in the 2000’s not in the 1955 nor 1980’s tho they did plan on a missile system with the same concept on base the technology at their time wasnt ready fro that and they didnt finish it

I dunno man, i was watching Defyn’s stream and it was looking pretty nasty

Next step up i think is AIM-7MH or 7P but after that i think we run out of variants

+1 and an interesting point to add is that I think HMD on the F-16 is more significant than the BVR missiles. The instantly maneuvering AIM-7M + HMD has its advantages. The R-27ER, for the most part, is better, but like you said the most important thing is who fires first, which the HMD helps significantly in offensive and defensive maneuvers. I think the AIM-7P should be introduced ASAP as it would be an excellent quality of life with the addition of IOG.

There is a lot of doom talk from people who aren’t being very objective or have no experience on the other end of the spectrum. The F-16 FM is amazing and bullies every aircraft in the game when flown right, including the MiG-29. In fact, I think the F-16 FM has the meta advantage as it can take on 3+ people at once and come out on top with proper speed management (but I guess that takes a few more brain cells to achieve).

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appart from that i did notice something, they changed the smoke grenades didnt they? they are a lot more consistant and fast

And that’s why until things majorly change in areas like massive BR decompression, and Fox-3’s, I’m fine with the regular MiG-29 not getting the R-73.

Tornados and Phantoms are (usually) free kills as is. Phantoms themselves are about the only plane I trust to kill with my R-60m’s, assuming they don’t flare.

Did they change anything to the F-16A flight model in the files? Because I can now reliably pull 10-12 Gs in it at speeds way above 1000 km/h.

EDIT: maybe I should have specified that I was using the ADF with 2 AIM-7s and 4 AIM-9s equipped. Can’t remember the fuel.

Y’all are confusing IRIS-T (the missile system) with IRST (the sensor), i think

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I think that the SMT is appropriate at this stage because of this. The biggest problem, IMO, with R-73 before was the Su-25BM couldn’t slave it with HMD, and so unless you got pure side aspects, or lucky angles, was immediately flared away.

Soviet missile developement of the time was nothing to laugh at.
Btw. R-77 entered service the same year as AIM-120.

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