Sons of Attila - Rumor Round-Up and Discussion (Part 1)

@Smin1080p
I had a new idea, a new idea, a suggestion for “authenticity” and “gameplay”.
If for gameplay, the F-16C Block 50’s AIM+7 can still be retained, for his BVR capabilities, although not compatible in reality.
In this regard we have the East German MiG29 9.12 as an example, although in reality it is not equipped with the R27ER, but for the sake of balance, we still get it.
I think it’s a compromise between “authenticity” for “gameplay” and “balance”, so I also have an idea to keep the AIM-7 of the C50.
But at the same time, I suggest adding some reasonable weapons to other aircraft, such as adding PL11 to the J8F, although in reality J8F does not have the ability to fire PL11, but because PL12 is very strong, it cannot be added to the game temporarily, so the temporary “balance” can be considered.

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@Smin1080p
And.
East German MiG, American F-16C/50, Chinese J8F, and others such as the non-existent Japanese F-16AJ, or even the German PhantomICE, or more, these can be compromised for gameplay, and “authenticity” can actually be partially adjusted in some special cases or special needs to adapt to the ecology of our WT games.

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I think they are just placeholders till AMRAAM. Get the aircraft sorted and then add AMRAAM to replace the Aim-7 in december.

It is 100% getting PL-12 when Fox 3 is added, already been confirmed by the devs. This was explained in the dev post [Development] J-8F jet fighter and future plans on the BVRAAMs - News - War Thunder.

I think it will loose R-27ER and gain R-73s when they are appropriate to be added, but time will tell on that one.

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They python missiles is 40G, Mach 3.5 capable (a whole Mach faster than the R73 btw) high acceleration with a very short burn time. (Meaning, shorter the burn time, less chance there is for
the missile to be detected visually). The missile is undoubtedly better than any the F16 with sparrows, (played each extensively)

F16s from here on will only get chunky & heavier regardless of stronger engines. They will never be as nimble as block 10.

Yes 100% agree to your point. the F16 performs tremendously better armed with only Aim9Ls. When you ditch the Sparrows, you no longer have a boat like delay in pitch and that compression at high speed. Even after you launch the sparrows the issue is still there to a smaller degree. I assume the huge solid pylons. Additionally, without arming sparrows you no longer have to sit, and baby sit missiles with radar support after launch leaving you exposed taking away from situational awareness. An F16 without the fuss of sparrows and radar support is a far more survivable and offensive platform.

An F16 with wingtip AMRAAMS will solve this issue and satisfy both sides of the argument. Maintain performance, while maintaining BVR capability and ACM capability in one missile.

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F-16s with AMRAAMs is looking like 12.7 minimum.
We’ll see.

I feel you. Last 2 patches for me also have been very busy with a newborn baby!
Also didn’t really care for the new content of last two patches so that worked out well. Hopefully the new patch will hold something I’d enjoy because I’m slowly finding gaps where I can play.

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Congrats man! Hopefully he can also enjoy the wonderful aviation world as much as you did.

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It all comes to “Could it technically carry x-ordinance?” if yes then it can get it in game.

  • MiG-29 9.12 could carry R-27T/ER/ET
  • F-16C Block 50 could carry AIM-7M and its later versions.
  • Italian Tornado ADV could carry Skyflash SuperTEMP.
    they all never actually carried these missiles in service but they could. There weren’t any technical limitations unlike J-8F for example.
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hmm, look what Gj has done to Aim54. its missing essential performance and tracking capability and the C is a copy paste with some weight.

Additionally, GJ can also degrade the radar of the firing aircraft to mask direct nerfs to the missile like the F14A and B. it is by far the easiest radar defeat besides the F.3 tornado at top tier. The AWG 9 being the most powerful radar in US inventory until F22. hilarious.

My point is that GJ has so many options to nerf the missile indirectly they can literally make the AMRAAM a 11.7,

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I am hearing the Block 50 does not have a CW illumitator just as the J8F. Is that true?

If so, it shall not have sparrows while the J8F does not have its SARHS.

Radars do not get nerfed except with evidence that proves they are over-performing to real-life counterparts.
And no, they have no options to nerf missiles cause they don’t nerf missiles, they exclusively make them as accurate as possible.
The only balancing decision made is BR & what missiles are the top missiles for the BR of aircraft.

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SkyTrash cough cough

Sorry I had something in my throat

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You are right my friend!

Skyflash is accurate to known information at the time of last change.
If a change is made, it’ll be in response to a historical report.

It doesn’t have CW illuminator but it still has HPRF radar mode which is the only thing needed to guide later Sparrow variants. Or so I was told…

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I reckon Aim-7 will get replaced with AMRAAM when AMRAAM is added and the Aim-7 are more of a placeholder

it can guide them via PD Illumination

Radars are absolutely nerfed. All radars are nerfed. Do have any Idea how powerful the microwaves are emitted from radars? The closer you are the more powerful and less degraded the signal. You believe the Awg9 which is the biggest radar ever placed in an American fighter in history cannot maintain lock at a mere 10km regardless of the aspect of the aircraft. The Awg9 is literally frying everything around it for miles.

As I said, since last change.
Last change was in like Feb/March.