The problem is that Czechoslovakia has many options for early tiers, and if we combine this with other Eastern European tech trees then it’s actually as much as a major nation in both air and land, but the mid-WWII period is pretty lacking, and then it’s a question of how exciting can modified Soviet vehicles be?
Don’t get me wrong, it’s still a much more viable option than Turkey, especially if we combine it with Poland, Hungary, and Yugoslavia, I just think the later vehicles are going to be a bit dull and ultimately unoriginal in their play style despite the modifications they may have received.
They don’t have a lot of unique stuff, but a subtree within Israel makes more sense than a subtree within Italy, though I still think a US or German subtree make most sense considering alliances / vehicle origins.
Yes the mid tiers are lacking but it still is managable especially when it would be part of CEE. In fact I would say that the CEE nations quite complement eachother. The Czechoslovakia has great low tier, the mid tier is limited but Yugoslavia has some unique prototypes which can bridge the gap to top tier which can be carried by Ukrainian and Polish modifications of soviet MBTs.
While the mods of soviet era MBTs can be a bit dull I would say that some of them differ enough from the russian ones to be enjoyable for example the M4CZ with improved reverse or the PT-16/17 with bustle autoloader and NATO 120.
And there is a lot of unique light tanks/ifv and TDs to suplement the less interesting modifications.
Key is not to add every single modification of BMP-1/2 ever made, same applies to other vehicles.
They have more in common with israel than with germany, plus subtrees are suppose to be to small nations without much content…
US and Germany do not need ANY subtree, and for sure if they do, should not be israel
I made it. I posted 1st version on reddit and the finished version was made for CEE TT suggestion I was working on but that was denied because it was too similar to the Intermarium TT suggestion . I made post in the thread there - here is the post.
Israel and Turkey had close technological cooperation for a period of time, but they don’t have much in common historically.
Germany and Turkey have strong historical ties, the Germans trained and equipped the Turks during the early 20th Century, Germany is one of the European countries with closer ties to Turkey than the rest, and of course there is cooperation in defense armaments.
The US is even closer than Germany to Turkey of course, they basically have supplied the majority of equipment to their armed forces since Turkey became part of NATO.
I don’t think US or Germany need subtrees, but I don’t think Turkey as a subtree of Israel makes sense politically, since the two countries aren’t close and don’t have any historic ties. The technological cooperation is the only thing that makes Israel more viable than Italy, for example, which is not at all viable.
What you say about “politically” and “relations” does not make any sence, with that perspective Taiwan should not be part of China then
Israel and Turkey have:
Modernization of Turkey’s F4 and F5
Upgrading of Turkey’s M60 tanks
Popeye-I and Popeye-II missiles.
Popeye-II surface-to-air missiles
10 Heron UAV
Arrow anti-ballistic-missiles.
Exchange of pilots
The two navies conducted maneuvers during Operation Reliant Mermaid in January 1998.
Those reasons should be MORE than enough to give it to Israel (specially Sabra tanks and F4)
I mean Israel did give a bunch of stuff to Chile and other south American countries
So why not ? Better than a much of other nations things not from the same faction.
Dual-plane simulation isn’t simulated in WT yet, thus 35G is what Magic 2s and Aim-9Ls are limited to.
MICA RFs are equivalent to R-77-1, AAM-4, AMRAAAM C, and so forth. They will be added at the same time as all other missiles.
Gaijin will not be unrealistic. IRL France is not “OP”. Fictional loadouts do not exist on any American or Soviet jet.
@I_Phobos_I R-77-1, MICA RF, & AMRAAM C are next year.
@СΤΑΥΡΟΦΟΡΟС Germany’s not getting a sub-tree. Israel would be in-line for one before any of the first four nations from left to right get one, or in the case of Britain: Another one.
i hope we don’t see any mid range ARH AAM in this year, only in next. jump with early light 4 gen aircraft with only IR and SARH, without heavy fighters like F-15 and Su-27, on mid and late 4 gen with ARH rockets its cringe. ( only ARH rocket what i hope see in this year its R-33S on MiG-31 )
