Nope, there won’t be a second MiG-29 on the German tree, none of the mods applied post unification will have any impact within the confines of the game. It was basically a case of retrofitting NATO standard radios and navigation equipment. You can turn the MiG-29A in the German tree into a MiG-29G with a new skin.
Unless I’ve missed something we don’t know what the next BR ceiling is, with that said upgraded weapons alone do not put vehicles to the top if the airframe can’t handle it. Since we have no idea exactly what is coming or when, we also have no idea what else will be at your proposed 13.3, so telling me to imagine X at 13.3 in isolation is completely pointless.
F-4F ICE with AMRAAMs: 12.3 alongside R-73 Mig-29.
If either is more powerful than they can move up to 12.7.
If F-4F ICE can carry 9Ms, it can go to 12.7 while we wait for AMRAAM & 9M Eurofighters at 12.7 - 13.0.
lol That’s a cope. A 12.3 Mig-29 separate from 9.12 is likely.
We know what the next BR ceiling is… 12.3. And we have a solid estimate based on weapons & vehicles left to add… ~15.0.
So the Eurofighter with IRIS-T, Meteor, ASRAAM, and AMRAAM is gonna be in a matchmaker with the F-14A with it’s AIM-9Hs? or an F-16A with only AIM-9Ls?
The EF-2000 with the current matchmaker progression will likely end up 13.3 - 13.7 at least with:
12.3 being F-15A with no AMRAAM
12.7 being F-4F ICE and Tornado F.3 with AMRAAM on bad FM
13.0 being F-16C, MiG-29M light fighter with Fox3
13.3 being F-15 with AMRAAM, maybe early EF-2000
That’s not an exhaustive list just an idea of the general ability of each BR at least in my opinion, I can’t see any EF-2000 being below 13.3
Germany’s MiG-29 9.12A’s and their MiG-29G’s were literally the exact same aircraft with a new designation slapped on them.
They have the same engines, the same radar, the same weapons… they were the same air frames. There isn’t a single reason to believe a second variant will be added let alone having one at a different BR to the one we have.
Dude, you need to read the full post before replying.
12.3 will have F-15Cs without AMRAAMs BTW along with AMRAAMs on worse platforms.
12.7 is actually closer to what we’ll see advanced ARHs with. PL-12s, MICA RF, AMRAAM C, etc.
T-28, T-34, T-33, S-2 F-86, F-4, F-15, F-16 if you want to count the F-2 as a derivative, UH-1 Bell 412, Blackhawk, AH-1 AH-64, CH-47, MD-500, M167 to SKs M163 and M167, M110, M270. While not adopted by Japan there is an M47 in the tree.
Counting adjacent equipment both have 106RR jeeps, LAV with top attack ATGM.
As far as the Leclerc and K2 goes the only influence it had was the K2 autoloader was vaguely inspired by videos of the Leclerc autoloader as per the head designer, but no actual consultant was brought in from France. In that department, The US, Japan, and even Sweden and Israel had more influence on the K2 than France did.
The Leclerc doesn’t have active hydropneumatic ISU, no composite side armor, a self sharpening tungsten round, ATDTS, C4i, soft kill APS, 12.7mm commanders station. Anything that the Leclerc and K2 shares, the Type 10/Type 90 also shares it.
Ah so Germany can manage with F4F İCE against all those better 4th Gens but Tornado with Amraams cant?
Yesterday you were the one who keep claiming İCE will be practially useless against those jets and Germany should get F-15 (insane demand btw) and British tree should get Gripen.
İf Germany can manage with İCE Britian can also manage with Tornado plus amraam combo.
That is still far too condensed, an F-15 with AMRAAMs in a matchmaker with the F-14A does not sound like fun at all, the bare minimum BR you could put an AMRAAM on a 4th gen fighter is 13.0 as in a full downtier you will see as a minimum F-16s and MiG-29s which while having completely subpar missiles would at least stand a chance in a dogfight, the same cannot really be said about 11.7.
The EF-2000 is better than the F-15 so it stands to reason that it would end up a BR higher at 13.3
More and better top tier Leopards than Germany in its TT has. This is just sad, and hopefully Gajin won’t extent this Leopard giveaway to other nations. They shouldn’t have gotten the 2A6 added, while already having the two superior Strv’s.
No one said F-15 with AMRAAMs other than you. Also, early AMRAAM Cs still eat dirt, and we’re getting As & Bs first.
On top of all ARHs able to be notched.
EF’s peak weapons are better, but guess what? AMRAAMs and 9Ms are also on later F-15s.
They had one test F-15 in the US. There are even photos of the handover ceremony with iron Cross on it. But yeah, would bee a stretch like the swedish Leopard 2A6 or the Swedish Mi-28A.
