Like the Chi-Nu II, really bolsters the Japanese 4.3 lineup. Oh wait. There’s no 4.3 lineup.
So I mean like the Heavy Tank No. 6, it bolsters the 6.0 lineup… Wait. No 6.0 lineup either.
If the choice is taking the tank alone or deliberately uptier to a lineup where it has to regularly face enemies 1.3 BR higher, yeah, I’m taking the first option.
It really does not matter that vehicles are designed for lineups. The only thing that matter is what is allowed or not and as long as you can enter battle with just one vehicle it will be there and for many players it is clearly the best way to grind tech trees or modules on singular vehicle, well at least for me. Also if ODL was an issue from Gaijin perspective than it would be addressed already but clearly they do not care much about that part. You have too high expectations from player base in casual game build around economy and grind where there are no strict rules how you should play especially when lineups themself does not have any restriction how do you make them. It is in human nature to choose path of least resistance to get results and Gaijin is in charge of allowed paths. Some people want to have fun with singular vehicle, some wants to grind with one and Gaijin never said you cannot do that and probably never will.
how long on average does it take you to make 400k Rp like that?
it genuinely is massively detrimental to the overall grind one death leaving.
Then we should all be using bot accounts by this logic.
There really should be restrictions in place, such as taking 2 reserves and 1 top tier should not be allowed, same as it warns you for going in with no ammo.
This is a suggestion as well i believe or at least was some time ago.
Yes some want, Gaijin however used to back in the day lay out in tutorials etc the importance of a full and balanced lineup, they will never tell you to go into battle with one tank. that is entirely a player base decision.
which unless youre completely blind is now an absolutely gigantic problem within the game, theres no excuse for it now, the economy is better than its ever been, theres far more tanks for lineups, with far lower repair costs than before.
The only reason to ODL is to maintain this facade that its somehow better for the grind.
It is hard to determine, because with one tank lineup I can choose which battle I want to try do my best and which I will just yolo rush in order to skip the map. But I bought Centauro RGO 5 days ago and managed to fully reseach Leopard 2A7HU and 230k RP on Ariete PSO and I have just 47 battles on it. And I play about for hour a day during work days and at max for 2-3 hours during weekends. The main reason, why it is faster when you know what you are doing, is in maximizing premium vehicle bonuses. It is also more fun to just play one vehicle as I do not have to deal with CAS in late game.
And that is where you are wrong because this is not allowed path by Gaijin.
That was in the past, Gaijin vision changed over years. Gaijin said Korean war was end of the line yet here we are with modern vehicles. Gaijin said they will not sell premium jets yet there are plenty of them. Gaijin said no top tier premiums but here we are with 11.7 tanks which are technically top tier vehicles. But adjusting game modes to fit more for to modern era vehicles? No, that would be too much of work. You can clearly see they only care about profits(like any big gaming studio) and does not care much about quality of gameplay, so why should players put any effort into matches. After all enshittification is trendy right now.
The game is ultimately trash and if I want to leave then I will!
Don’t forget your juice box and animal crackers.
Can’t we just a pin a single thread for ODL?
I can only speak for myself but I assume some of you folks agree with me that major reason of ODL is the fact that nearly very match end up with one team spawncamping the other within less than 5 mins. And once you get there, the game is already over.
Im summary you will most likely die as soon as your spawnprotection runs out and you will only lose silver lions due to repair costs if you have no premuim.
In my opinion spawnprotection needs to be enhanced and spawncampers should face penalties for bad sportsmanlike conduct or maybe add an additonal win condition that end the game before the spawncamping like holding all capture points for a certain time or something like that.
The main reason for ODL is PVP.
Your opposition are human players who do what they want to do not what you want or expect them to do.You play your way and they play theirs.That in itself causes frustration and its why many single player games don’t work when a PVP version is brought in.
Some might say Red Dead online or Fallout 76 are fine examples of a legendary game not working as a PVP.
I guess if I am honest my main gripe with WT is that it went so faraway from the game I personally loved four years ago.
I can’t stop the entire Japanese nation from playing pink tanks with anime pillows or Gaijin throwing in Post war tanks into WW2 scenarios.I just can’t. All I can do is walk away or just play less and stop paying as a customer.
The Devs game choices annoy me and the other players decisions can annoy me.That is the way it is.
Other players are entitled to have fun their own way and make the best of a bad situation their own way.
ODL is a game choice and you have to suck that up unfortunately.
If i get bombed from outerspace or other BS is happening i’m just gonna ODL. Simple as.
Or just give me GRBPVE on maps as big as heli one, and i’ll ditch normal pvp forever
I painted my PE8 in the Russian flag with a big silly Stalin sticker on it just to annoy the opposition further when five of them die at once :) If you cant beat them join them.
I guess many of us,myself included took this game far too seriously when its best to treat it as the joke its become. Pop on for ten minutes,kill a few dudes and go. All it’s worth now.
If the game is so bad at high tier that you can’t even do that then it really is time to say goodbye.
No this is because of one death leavers.
Not a reason for it.
ODL is far, far more blatant now than it was 4 years ago jesus man.
It used to be nearly excusively top tier, or very specific prems aka T72AV turms.
Now you have people, with full lineups, dying once and leaving, this is not something we should “suck up” as in reality it is massively detrimental to all those involved including gaijin, its becoming such an issue that at least 5 people I know have just flat out stopped playing the game.
You shouldn’t have to roll around in a 6.7 BR (or lower) tank just to get a game that isn’t over in under 3 minutes.
The matches are designed for 25 minute prolonged engagements.
Also initial one death leaving began as a counter to the ludicrous repair costs gaijin was implementing each update, conqueror was nearly about 15K at one point in time, for one tank at 7.7 that was absolutely bonkers. Thus people left to preserve SL, thats not even begining to cover the most expensive tanks, and or planes.
However, now with economy bolstered up, the premium unable to lose SL, and the repair costs dropped dramatically there is literally no excuse for ODL.
IF you wanna play the damn game, when you queue for a match, be ready to use the lineup you have, this nonsense of spawn one tank and leave as its a better way to grind or its faster, is just ridiculous now. completely.
It falls completely on the gaijin to resolve it, and at this stage the only way to kerb it is to start implementing gametime punishments, 4 hour bans, 8 hour, 12, 24 etc etc such as games like halo 2, 3 and reach did, or killzone 2 and 3, Haze.
Basically all the old 2010 ish era shooters did it quite well.
I dont forget it, at all. Considering ungodly amount of posts complaining about ODLing and the likes then it shows how massive an issue that is.
Then dont fking play mate, not gonna lie this massive crowd of completely selfish morons bouncing to the game has made it far worse to play.
The reason you’re getting spawn camped like that is 90 percent of the time due to people one death leaving, leaving the team empty.
Also this rarely happens man, unless the game is actually properly lost in which case you arent one death leaving hten are you.
hardly, itll get rid of the absolute melons who think the game is only about them and let the folks who want to play the game as its supposed to be played, as a PVP team based combined arms game.
Define some bullshit? cause most people who say this just mean “when i die i rage quit”
You queued up for the game, you know the variables, if you cant handle them, then don’t ruin it for others.
If it was only one person a match sure, but the fact this mentality of its my fun so fk everyone else has spread so much is just ridiculous
This is literally how this game is and how it was for years.
And for me, my time and my fun is more valueable than your game. I will never meet you in game, so i do not care, the same way you do not care about my game. This is how it is with random games instead of dedicated servers in games, “like in old times”
If my rounds stop doing dmg - hitting ammo with 120mm and it gets “yellow” i see the bullshit is happening.
If i get blown up by some weird, impossibe shot (dart bouncing 10 times to get inside through visor) - i see bullshit is happening
If i see something eat darts with no DMG, or see dart bouncing of BMP2 - i see bullshit is happening.
Or if i get repair simulator, getting hit multiple times just before my repair ends - i’m getting tilted, as i am wasting my free time to watch repair countdown instead of playing
I have no problem with getting killed by better player. But dying to some BS - nah, screw that, i’ll just play different battle
It was never a “team” based game. It was always a 16 randoms you will never meet again vs another 16 randoms you will never meet again.
It happens frequently enough to be a reason i consider it to justify ODL.
If you do not like ODL - then dont fking play mate.
Don’t put a blame for a bad game design to players who are fed up with it.
Far more reasons to leave than there was four years ago.I think most of us are in agreement there.
You shouldn’t have to do a lot of things in this game but this game decides you do so either play the game or don’t. It wont change for you or me.
Where did you get that from? Matches are often over before most payers are even settled.
Your theories are based on what this game should be or could be.They are not based on what it is therefore they are worthless.Opinions are fine you are free to give them but I don’t see them as relevant.
I cant even say I disagree that the game needs improvement its just that I spent so long making the same points but what you might like I might not and vice versa.
Remember the game ejects you when you are out of points,sometimes it ejects you anyway.
I’ll be frank,I not p*****g around in a WW2 tank with a 60 HP reduction,poor ammo and no fire extinguisher or repair parts facing 60s Cold war premiums just so you can have fun.I also did battle pass and often when I achieved what I wanted I left and moved onto the next task before the time elapsed.So even the game makers disagree with you except bizarrely they implement a time out.Shows how stupid they really are.
Hardly how it was for years, people rarely even ping the map now, or try communicate at all.
WTF does that even mean, darts cant and dont bounce like that, the killcams are horrifically inacurrate.
Thats do with how much spall it generates, while it is a pest of a situation it no where near warrants leaving the game and leaving your team a man down.
To leave for that? that is proper immature lad.
just off the BMP2? cause they bounce off of a lot of stuff if you hit an extreme angle with it.
None of what you listed there warrants at all leaving the game prematurely and tilting if the games making you that angry then bail man. Cause guess what, you say “ill play another battle” but they’re all relatively similar. so youll end up just leaving the next battle anyway.
I reckon you’re the perfect example of a one death leaver, any chance you do it too when you feel its gonna effect your K/D ?
Sneaky edit adding this in there son so let me address it here.
part of being an adult, and not acting like a spoiled child, is embracing the fact that the world isn’t just about you.
you chose to play a match, you actively have joined a team of 16 other people to partake in a lobby to PVP and win the game.
However, as soon as you decree its not fun, you leave?
thats piss poor lad, whats even funnier is ive had plenty of matches where the folks like you bail, and we somehow claw it back at the very end.
That is not enjoyable for anyone at all.
if you click “battle” then you are joining a team, not a fking free for all.
You say that, but ive ran into quite a few people from the forums in game, hell even tankenstein two days ago. and defyn as well.
You would be shocked to see who you run into in lobbies, if you consistently play the game, youre mixing up 32 people, every single match , numerically speaking we will meet at least once.
No this is how it is when people who have no care for others dictate how a lobby goes.
“old times” what like 3 years ago ? xD hardly the elden days of WT is it.
Yes those 16 people, combined creat a team that is how teams work in online games, or would you say battlefield isnt a team game, or squad, or hell let loose?
you say youll never meet them again but you again have no idea about that.
spawn bombing itself is pretty difficult considering the fact that you are invincible for a period, if you read what i said and actually read it. Then youd understand what im saying, the teams liquidating in 3 minutes is literally because of one death leaving.
Excuse me, the bad game design?
what like i refered to above when it literally was nearly impossible for most average players to make SL without a premium or premium time?
Or when compression was far, far more oppressive. ? the game now is not badly designed at all you have counters for cas, you have counters for spawn campers, you have a far better economy, far more vehicles to choose from to get out of sticky situations and above all the game is fking easier now than before xD
Hardly??? they literally removed the economic issues for ODLing which was the literal main excuse before hand.
What? that makes no sense considering its the players that are causing the issue of ODLing at mulitple BR brackets now adays.
The fact the fking match timer is 25 minutes xD
No they are not worthless , at all. For you to just decree what im saying is worthless shows me its irrelevant whatever argument that is put forward if it doesn’t fit into what you want to hear youll regard as worthless.
And nor are yours. At all by that means.
what does this even mean? it makes literally no damn sense mate.
This is what i mean, there are less reasons to leave games prematurely now, you have decompression through most not all BRs, so you dont have to face off against a fking leopard 1, centurion mk10, AMX30s, T54s etc in your WW2 heavy tank, like the tiger 2 or the T34, or even the likes of the IS2s (which are now over BRd)
Again, how is that an insentive to ODL ? the battle pass is off no reference at all, I fill the daily challanges in the first maybe 2 or three games bar the ludicrously long ones, that i then change.
Unless you mean something completely different and I just do not understand what you’re saying.
They literally don’t. Gaijin are well aware of the issue, hence the reason event and premium vehicles now get 20 backups for them, it actively try kerb how many people were ODLing in matches.
Also the crew lock IS A PUNISHMENT for bailing on a match early ??? why tf do you think its just a “time out” its literally a reprecussion for leaving the game before you should have.
the fact you dont understand that speaks volumes.
It was
Yet killcam shows it and it feels like BS. I am a player, not analyst, and i will not be coping that “BS i am seeing is not really true”
And again - i see bullshit is happening in game - i don’t feel like respawning after i die
Yeah - if i am tilted by such BS i don’t feel like continuing with that battle.
BMP2 is just an example. IRL darts do not bounce off lightly armored IFVs, and if this game is aspiring to be “realistic” i don’t want to deal with BS.
i am not even getting “that” angry - i just don’t like to be annoyed by thing that should be fun, if i am spending my free time on.
Why do you bring up k/d? I literally do not care about K/D, as long as it is positive. Do you care about K/D to bring that up?
Yeah, i posted, and then remembered to add more
it is a video GAME.
And parto of being and adult is embracing the fact, that you do not have as much free time as you had as a kid, so you start to value it much more. That’s why i do not waste it on lost battles.
Good for you, i guess?
If i click battle i am starting a game to play. Not chore to endure
You do not play with defyn. Defyn is not playing GRB. And there is no “respawning” in ARB. Also, Defyn uses hiding nick name in game option, so if you played with “Defyn” you played with fake.
Back to the point - Yeah, you run into people. But you do not remember nicknames of people you played. I could play with you - still i do not remember or do not care tbh.
I’ll explain, as you do not get it.
Back in the old days, like early 00’s games had dedicated servers. You chose lobby you want to play on. You could log into the server you want and you met the same people for years. You could feel you play with real people you became friends with. Servers had communities around them.
Then it started to change with random battles, more and more games chose to ditch servers and implement MM, making you queue with random people you do not know or care about - just like we have here in WT.
They could be bots for all i care, same way as they do not care for me. Simple as.
You are invincible for 20sec, but if you move more than 20m you stop being invincible.
My record life time is 0:04 ( F O U R seconds) (sic!). Spawned, started going, get bombed.
Yes, the bad game design.
Seriously, just give me GRBEC and proper big map GRBPVP and i will just f-off from random battles for good.
If Gaijin really cared about ODL they would have done something more then some measly 20 backups on premium that new player probably use in his first 20 battles… They could made premiums having 2 spawns as feature of premium vehicles but that would be too much because they want to sold you backups via GE. Why else they would have the need to tell you value in GE next to those 20 useless backups.
Just let me pay 1080000 SL (price 10.7 tank) to put leopard pzbtl123 to crew in next crew. Therefore with one tank premium tank i use more than one crews and i have more spawns. There - premium lineup ODL solved