Dwelling on things may make you think it’s getting more serious, but it’s just a perception thing.
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well based on the Playerbase feedback on 16v16, no one’s really dwelling but you.
What feedback is it you’re referring to, because I don’t think you’ve got a balance set to read from…
Confirmation bias is genuinely a thing, and echo chambers of complaints don’t help.
Well Sources are important but i think a simple Search in these forums would help you find Lots of people’s opinion on this matter with huge posts, and it’s not only present in the forums, it’s everywhere in the forums on social media that is related to Warthunder and in Warthunder Chat it self if you ask people about 16v16 there.
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Again, echo chambers aren’t the best source of a gauge of support.
these aren’t echo chambers of complaint these are opinions of people, and if you don’t like opinions than you shouldn’e be on this forum. i don’t know what sources you want more on this matter other than EVERYONE is saying WE DON’T WANT 16V16. but i guess Gaijin’s rats can’t listen nor think.
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You’re literally ONLY going to find the affected because they’re the only ones who will respond to you, because everyone else is getting on with it… Much the same as the CAS afflicted… They’re the same mentality.
You get mad because I merely don’t share your opinion, and you proceed to get mad…
Sorry, but that’s not right.
‘EVERYONE’ is not everyone.
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aren’t the “affected” you so call them people who have an opinion who disagree to something and they felt that they want to share it on these Forums?, or anything that doesn’t agree with gaijin’s decisions is Dwelling on things.
Also i wasn’t mad, i stated a fact.
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You’re talking of in game, and on other forums…
Those who are aggrieved will be more likely to mention they are on the regular, stay fixated on the issue, look for the issue to validate themselves and often wind themselves up enough they become beligerant and assumptive as to that being the sole reason they have an issue…
Very common confirmation bias and a problem we have on the forums here on the regular.
You being all upset enough to throw out the rat statement is literally an indication of it.
Splitting the gamemodes up will increase queue times. I’d rather them just revert to the old 12v12.
16v16 just does not work with how war thunder is designed, and how it is played. You can’t increase the map sizes because then you get the exact same gameplay, but with a longer wait.
To be honest, they actually could, and almost should.
32v32, bigger map, set spawns for 8 players to duel it out, and the final match mode would be to bring all the remaining players from that initial 8v8 segmented battle, together to duke it out.
Like an EC setup, but spread out and more directed via the objectives.
i still think 12v12 is too much, also the game avgerages 150k-250k daily man queue times won’t be that much. especially for modes like 8v8.
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Man you must be psychic as their solution isn’t even known, and you panicking about that has led to you making this thread…
Why make this thread if you weren’t concerned about the path they were going to take.
Seriously though, throwing that insult out is the same as your throw about the rat… Absolutely bad nonsense.
I can’t say anything about top tier, but 12v12 is a great balance below 10.7. 8v8 would be susceptible to 1–2 squads dominating a match.
Having 8v8 or 12v12 as an option would be nice, but neither should be the only option.
i don’t know why these forums exist if i shouldn’t make a suggestion for the devs to see and might take inspiration from.
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Well, this isn’t the suggestion section, and it’s likely you know that…
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The issue isn’t 16 vs 16. The issue is the current map sizes and layouts. Everyone is funneled straight into each other. And what @FlyingDoctor is trying to explain to the op. Which apparently he just doesn’t understand or want to understand. The people that are loudest are usually the ones that are unhappy. The ones that are happy are enjoying themselves and find no need to come on here to profess their enjoyment of something. That’s what he’s referring to as an echo chamber. The people complaining about it are only a small minority of the player base. Unfortunately it seems like a lot because they come on here to complain and that’s all you see. So you’re going to have to provide some proof other than whiny little forum posts about how they don’t like it. Because I for one enjoy 16 vs 16. Could it be improved, yes. But 16 vs 16 isn’t the issue.
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People will do that regardless of map sizes, it happens on EC maps, and any other maps. 16v16 just doesn’t work, people will all funnel into the middle of the map because it is where everyone is.
16v16 with the current 128x128 maps.
8v8 with the old delisted 60x60km maps.
4v4 with arcade maps.
i was actualy thinking that all of them could stay on the same map size that we have for 16v16, reason is for 4v4 we could see some BVR fights we barely saw since radar missiles were added, and not to mention better balancing be cause we might see some aircrafts Dominate in 4v4 be cause of their BVR capabilities compared to others we have in game.