I doubt it will do anything past 15km against anyone with a brain honestly…and you can still launch your stuff behind that range and have enough time to drive the missile into the ground, slow it down, escape etc.
Pantsir irl is made to shoot down munitions pretty much, not other aircraft…the newest version of it has missiles added to that are somehow optimized for drone intereception. We dont get that version…
Don’t get me wrong I don’t think it’ll be good against planes but it’ll perform very well against munitions and maybe even LDIRCM helis
Soooo its gonna stay the same as the current Pantsir?
Yeah but better in every regard which is exactly my point
How? The missiles will destroy something 0.1 second faster? Its still 4 targets at a time, effective range is hardly better, it will just probably see targets a bit easier and thats it.
People kind of make it a hobby to come here and scream about RU bias without checking ANY sort of info…its newish, we dont know shit about it, its russian it must be OP so lets go and scream…whats next? We start gluing our hands to the road?
This SPAA is not needed thats for sure but its not like its gonna be ANY sort of major change for anything except that you now need yet another 350k+ RP vehicle to get out of your way
Quite a lot of words for „yes you’re right it’s straight up better.“
Did I say anything about ru bias in this regard? I said it’s a questionable addition from a balancing perspective, nothing else.
Well there is a bit of a precedent when it comes to obscure, new russian tech and its implementation
It’s not going to be a major change but it cements and furthers existing imbalances
In theory it can be ~1.4 times faster. For helicopter it will be pretty uncomfortablе.
With this I finally completely agree! And helis need to get their stuff fixed otherwise whats the point of them in the game if you make them as useless as they are irl?
I totally agree with the fact that its absolutely not needed and that other nations would benefit from them putting time and effort into making something for them than for RU tech tree but we blow this one out of proportions aswell imo…for me I see it as just one more hassle…if you add this one, why have the S1 than? Tor is also useless, Tunguska all of them are very similar and close in performance if they didnt butcher them all to justify the addition of the next new shiny toy
Then why are we arguing? That’s literally my (and OPs) point the entire time.
Because you are asking for logic and sense in something that doesnt operate in that realm… Also arguing? Id class this as discussing more than arguing but okay lol
True but asking doesn’t hurt and sometimes you even get an answer by a roaming mod.
Eh, potato potahto
Definitely not, T-90M’s only good part is its armour, nearly everything else is subpar
T-80 is worse than many other things, not terrible, not amazing, but a solid vehicle
Pantsir where it sits at 12.0, for sure
Buk? No
Still, adding what is effectively an upgraded pantsir is completely unnecessary and shouldn’t be done
Nah, the trailer clearly answers that question…this thread is all about crying and moaning and you know it…its absolutely nothing about asking any questions or anything but about having a royal meltdown about a new vehicle…its not even the vehicle but a RUSSIAN vehicle…
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I think that’s a question tho.
My biggest concern is that it’s another Pantsir. Each player can now have two Pantsir spawns, but you can stretch it up to four with backups. Also it’s worth mentioning, you get free Pantsir at top tier if you don’t have one in the lineup. Pantsir S1 was already the best top tier SPAA at intercepting missiles and the best top tier SPAA at shooting down LDIRCM helicopters. Why add a new SPAA to a tech tree that has not been struggling or needing one at all?
US & UK only gets free ADATS (11.7) which technically isn’t even an SPAA.
Israel gets Improved Chapparal (9.3), and SPYDER AIO is a completely wrong implementation.
Italy gets OTOMATIC (11.3)
I know CAS is annoying as hell and most of y’all would rather see it removed, but currently seems like only NATO CAS is getting removed.
In my experience, whenever I throw a ridiculous amount of munitions against a Pantsir (and trust me, every game there’s atleast few) it gets intercepted mid air. Doesn’t matter if it’s 6 Mavericks, 10 JDAMs or 20 GBU-39s. Even if you do get any ground kills, most of them will spawn in a Pantsir and seek for revenge, and then another one, and then another one.
Playing Ka-52 or Mi-28NM is super easy, because you have LDIRCM that counters IR AAs, notching is easy so you easily counter ARH AAs, and VT1 based SPAAs (ItO90/Flarakrad) are not that really good at intercepting multiple missiles at once.
Meanwhile playing AH-64E is hell, of course you have LDIRCM and you can notch so IR/ARH AAs don’t pose much of a threat, but there’s always your nemesis, a Pantsir. Tracking you through trees, intercepting all your JAGMs and killing you in the end. New one will be even better at it, as it has much faster missiles. If you spawn at the closer helipad which is around 4-5km from the main battlefield area, you will have only 2.5-3 seconds to hide.
It’s a wall of text, but my point is, it’s ridiculous to see another and also improved Pantsir.
I really wonder what will be the purpose of HARMs, as it will get intercepted every single time and you can only bring very limited amount of them.
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HARM is more useful as a way to supress the AA than to destroy it but that requires teamwork which in this game doesnt exist so I dont expect HARM doing much anyway
Most frames can only carry two of them, while some can carry up to four. If the idea is to only suppress the AA, then I’d rather spam anything we currently have in game for that purpose.
Well yeah, it will probably be in like a SP/TOO mode so anyone that stays lit will get hit by it but its easy to work around it…supression though is a good thing, gives you a chance maybe of dropping a bomb on it or something but knowing this game HARM will just get intercepted and nothing will change
Imagine face of uptiered f5e without ccip/ccrp/ability to set point on map so you always have to point your nose right at target direction.