Sim has completely different controls, cockpit view only and no markers whatsoever, not even teammates. It’s a completely different thing. Also almost unplayable without a VR set.
I’m talking about how I’d like to make peanut butter better and you’re telling me to spread my bread with Nutella instead.
@Shplendyt
ChatGPT proving it knows nothing about WT.
The only small maps in air RB are for props and early jets.
If you want hyper-competitive playercounts, go play tourneys.
Haha, nice analogy!
But hey, I stand by it (and Nutella is better, so why even try to improve peanut butter?!?)…
= )
It’s not about removing markers at all. The bugged day after November patch was the best day in WT for me for years. A partial removing would be great. We discussed this already.
Small maps: Map Cycle at 13.7
I bet gaijin would make a lot more money if there would be a premium option to choose between map groups (small, normal, ec) and an option to play a single map only.
Main issues are the the small maps combined with too many players. Those, I feel like, need to be addressed by Gaijin.
Something like removing enemy markers is purely a matter of preference, but I’d still like if people were more open to the idea, especially if the issue above gets addressed. Yes, currently it’s unthinkable to remove those markers, no doubt about that, but once (and if) we get rid of those small maps and large lobbies, people might see that there’s some merit to the removal of enemy markers. By no means are enemy markers an issue, it’s just something I’d like more people to think about.
I’ve been playing air sim for half a year now with mouse & keyboard (I share my control setup here: How to execute the FORWARD SLIP to land propeller planes at 500 km/h! Fast landings, easy aborts - #4 by _Mr_Fahrenheit ) and no head tracking.
I’m not the best player, but I can get regular kills and do well if the weather/visibility isn’t terrible. I do wish to note - it took me over 24 hours of mindful flying and practice to reach the point where I could beat people in dogfights with no previous combat flight sim (but a decent bit of civillian flight sim) experience.
Now, for the OP
In my experience comparing ASB to ARB, the issue is less with absolute map size. This is in perspective of propeller aircraft, gunfighter jets and dogfight missile jets (up to F8U-2).
The issue is with OBJECTIVE DESIGN.
Demonstration:
Vietnam in ARB Map size: 128x128 km, 1 grid square is 16x16 km (rounded down).
Smolensk in ASB Map size: 128x128 km, 1 grid square is 16x16 km (rounded down):
Do you see the difference inherent in the objective design? (a few moments ago there was an air superiority objective where I was that spawned a ground battle. Over 50 kilometers away as we were engaging the objective, there was a bomber and people intercepting said bomber. Sometimes, you end up with A.I targets on the far end of the map as the objective RNG rolls them, or “arrows” likely spread wide apart.)
Smolensk is the same size as vietnam, except rather than concentrate every objective in a roughly 40 kilometer wide frontline (wasting 2/3 of the entire map), the objectives are spread widely across the entire battlefield with multiple airfields to spawn from.
This means we are actually using the full 128x128 battlefield rather than just a 40 kilometer wide column/row.
My solutions as thus:
Is it? According to my data it’s just 64x64, but that may be outdated…
From the wiki. Dunno if ARB Smolensk is the same size, but the comparison is more “128x128 EC map in ARB feels far smaller than 128x128 EC map in ASB.” Could’ve compared vietnam to vietnam, but don’t have a screenshot of that one on hand :v.
Funny enough…
I played a bit of sim, and i did try it in VR a few times.
Let me tell you, its much easier to check your rear on PC, and not nearly as neck-breaking.
However my hardware is a bit limiting ,so i cant say i had the “True VR Experience”
I’m against that, as i think that:
Spreading teams in 2 group of 8 people (no choice of airfield) - on Enlarged EC maps spawning from 2 different airfield (per team) would largely contribute in a upgraded gameplay:
Spreading players accross the map
Having the same potential amount of ennemy to kill
Also,… and i still regret this, Gaijin still didn’t made specifics Jet Era Tutorials for people to learn how to play/dodge missile - making 80% of every team to die within seconds.
I think you’re right: Checked it in Google maps, and from Smolensk to Rudnja it’s about 70km by car, and on the WT map a bit less than half the map width, so 128x128 seems correct.
I actually never tried Smolensk in Sim in High Tier, guess I’ll have to do that… = )
Haha, yeah, proper warm up and mobilisation of neck and shoulders is important in VR. Talking with fighter pilots about this they just grinned and nodded knowingly… ;-)
Having more airfields to spawn from (forced) is a solution I didn’t think of. It definitely sounds good, I’d support that.
You really are the champion of terrible takes.
The small Afghanistan maps spawns both team at Aim120 range from each other. It’s hidden by the mountains, but you can climb vertically and toss an AMRAAM to the enemy spawn. It’s a ridiculous map for top tier, each side barely has the time to reach mach 1 before the missiles starts flying at pitbull range.
16v16 is not playable. It’s manageable if you’re a good enough because you can easily rack a few kills, as 90% of the playerbase is simply awful at piloting. It’s not fun however and doesn’t reward skill beyond basic positioning and knowing what each missiles can do.
We need Air RB EC. We needed it for five years or more.
Me pointing towards ARB EC
@ShinGetsu
Afghanistan was restricted, and I for one am glad it was brought back. It however is an exception to the rule, and was only brought back because players demanded it, it’s a nice break from the massive maps that are the rest of the rotation.
I get that you’re the best WT player ever in your mind, but 16v16 is what makes the game playable for those of us that are good to average.
Air RB has always been about positioning and awareness, which are both skillsets; just like real life.
But yeah, keep claiming that the good in the WT community that represents my views more than not are all bad take sayers.
@Creastroy
Air RB EC requires a new AI so demand WT makes a new AI, and that would still be 16v16 if not more.
If you try and use positioning at prop and early jet tier, the match will be over because every game is a steeamroll for one side. If you use it at top tier, the same thing will happen.
16v16 has made air RB way worse than it used to. It is an assault on your senses, and it doesn’t reward skillfull play. Every 1v1 ends in a 3rd party at some point, and it doesn’t allow for prolonged fights. Better players should not have to have a worse experience because worse players want something that gives them easy kills.
It does not. Just fiddle with the marker system, and copy+paste SB EC with RB controls.
SB EC is broken and needs new AI as well. There’s a reason Pyrenees doesn’t have an EC version yet. Gaijin’s clearly waiting for new AI.
Stop demanding trash when you can demand good instead.
It would be better than the trash that currently is 16v16 ARB.
Because Gaijin doesn’t care about sim?
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