I get it but most of what is said on here is BS anyway even stuff from ex tankers has no bearing on the game as it’s simply not real.
Aside from the official suggestions it’s a time killer and little more.
I know it would be devastating for you as it erases all you have achieved but it would certainly transform the game and it the attitude that prevails.
Bit like turning chat off really : )
Don’t worry,they’ll never do it.
It is not about what I have achieved in game, it is about having a proper discussion.
People talk BS all the time, trying to lie about things for their interest (or something like it), stats are a good way to prove that what they say is BS in first place (that is why some are so angry about it).
For discussion to hold any meaning, we need both sides to understand some principles first:
With that in mind, if someone doesn’t understand this points his stats are going to be used in order to fill up the ‘gaps’. The funny bit is that mostly when it is being done, it shows that someone was talking BS.
Discussion doesn’t need proof, or evidence… This is a misconception passed on by you in your want to deride and ridicule, rather than actually discuss.
Again, bad faith through and through.
If You can’t back up Your own claims then there is no point in having a discussion with You.
It is just simple as that. There is no point in wasting time talking to someone who can’t provide anything from the game that has a perfect record of all games on the game website. If someone refuses to provide a link showcasing what he is talking about he must be doing that because he is just simply making things up.
Thing is, you don’t need to have proof to discuss ideas, and your want to dismiss me over everything because I won’t, not can’t, WON’T provide you with ‘proof’ is just ignorant…
The time I did provide you with proof, you deemed it to be nothing, so if that’s your want, then I won’t give it to you… I have no need to fill my harddrive with footage to fulfill your demand, just to have you decide that it doesn’t apply.
For discussion to actually happen, you have to be open for it to happen, and of which your stat reliance and gatekeeping make it clear the actual issue, is on your end… And your continuance in your throwout of tantrum, and rhetoric regarding me individually, shows you’re not genuine in the slightest.
Whilst I, responding to your tripe, get made out to be the bad guy because I’m here making statements, which you just deflect and make out that I don’t understand things.
But then it all descends into a stat attack so where are then? Stats come into play when somebody can’t debate a subject and they have run out of ideas so it does not enhance debate in any way.
We can see what the game does ,we all play it.Video evidence shows us what is fact.
Anything else is speculation.
We can all give reasons for bad stats like we can for good stats.
How many times do you get the ULQ cheat tag thrown at you?
How many people argue with you despite your stats being good?
A debate reduced to stat shaming is like a debate resorting to grammar ,its a battle lost.
I don’t think nothing will change but this Game really does sow the seeds of negativity all across the board and it allows so many on here to reflect it back.
Pretty much. It’s just dumb and I don’t see why it’s been and being accepted as a retort to anything and everything because someone thinks they’re better than anyone because of thier precious numbers.
As long as You don’t make statements about how things are. If You do, You actually need to provide something to back it up otherwise again, everyone can make things up.
If what You say and show isn’t even close, then it will be not taken into consideration.
Same goes with a discussion where no one provides evidence to back up their claims.
Stats are only used when one doesn’t want to provide anything to back up his claims in order to call them out on lying.
Otherwise we should all just pat everyone back and agree that game is what we believe it is, no matter that everyone would be describing it in a different way.
Next step would be a censorship of anyone who wants to check our statements, because how dare they. All people should believe what I say to be true without the need to check it! /s
This all started with you entering a discussion where a player who was BR 5.0, having trouble with SPAA, and relying on not using it, and you came in with higher teir mentionings and ignorance to the players plight, but because you backed up the players whinge, they went off about how it was confirmed because you jumped on me about how bad SPAA were.
And that’s why you are such a bane of my trouble, because I was offering encouragement and all you did was put up excuses to keep the kid moaning…
That’s how septic this is.
Don’t need proof to be offering encouragement, but you just lay that ‘requirement’ everywhere, gatekeeping and being ignorant.
This is undoubtedly true but I dont see how being good or bad at the game has any bearing on a huge percentage of what is being discussed.It just provides and escape route for the uneducated to throw their hands up and raise stats as an issue when they have run out of road.In online media it is often spelling or grammar or pathetic attempts to use Godwin’s law like its actually a law.
Fact is by the time stats have come into a discussion that discussion is dead and of no use to making this game a better place.
Only thing I might say is that if somebody has played only a few games you can relate that to how you viewed the game when you were at that point and maybe offer advice.Its a bit like knowing somebody’s age or education level.
Stats don’t cut down speculation on this forum and debates are not won or lost on the basis of stat shaming.Maybe they should be but people on here find it so hard to give respect to those with good stats due to how they bring them up or rather the circumstances that led to them doing so.
Even the number of games somebody played and how they played them vastly differs and judging that is risky in the same way judging a musician on how long he has been playing is a silly thing to do.
Ah yes, “kids with mom’s credit card” and “playstyles/etc I don’t enjoy take less skill” in a single post. I see we’re playing “dumb internet gaming community myths/scapegoats” bingo.
The only thing ridiculous there is your absurdly off the mark analogy.
The whole idea of grouping people at their own skill/performance levels is they don’t face people in other brackets, thus the difference between them is wholly irrelevant.
Your analogy of “lowered standards” actually could be applied to current, non-grouped matchmaking though, as “lower skill” players (your “lower standards”) see “higher skill” players (your “proper standards”) when they otherwise wouldn’t (thus lower quality of teams, something very well established as being an issue in WT). This is why we see two or three players per team actually meaningfully contributing while the other 80% do very little in most matches.
Just drop it. Still never understood why you feel obligated to respond to them.
There is a section on here for linking players to a squad and gives the players handle and their age.Far from children in most cases.Adults mostly and many 30 or even 40 plus.Some even older.It is a diverse playerbase.No wonder we have such differing opinions.I think if Gaijin are putting their eggs in the kids with credit cards basket they could be in for a nasty shock.Bit off topic but you can find the post and see for yourself Bruce R1 ran it.
Problem with War Thunder has always been very simple one
It is very very easy to reach lvl 100 and thus reach lvl cap as far as your character is concerned
They should have limited this from start by totally different ranking/leveling system
For example …lvl 1-10 …access to rank I …10 - 25 access to Rank II ,25 -40 Rank III and so on
Each level up to next rank should have come with in game benefits like faster free repairs, + 10 % RP unlocking of vehicles of same rank and so on …benefits that have no influence on game itself (not P2W)
This could have been limited to type of vehicle for example …lvl 30 tank commander couldn’t access planes/ships rank III until he/she reach lvl 30 in Air tree or Sea tree.
Buying tanks/planes/ships would only mean you would have access to them once you reach certain level to use them …that would have eliminated ODL and player would get benefit from premium vehicle once they had level to use it EFFECTIVELY .
It would also removed uptiers since they could have simply implemented system where players upon reaching certain level would be paired with players in their level range …if not enough players then bots would fill ranks or smaller teams would be used
This in effect is Skill level you guys are talking about
Because it literally has to be said.
At no point whatsoever did I tout my stats as being amazing or anything even encouraging, they were always merely shouting down a person who was exuding confidence and encouragement to a player who was having trouble.
Much the same as the want for the ‘score’ to be visible, and for the making out that the forums would be better for this ‘metric’…
I have just told people what is the better solution for their situation and explained why.
You wanted to make it look like SPAA is the solution talking things about it and not providing anything to back it up. That is why I have said then that Your own stats contradict Your statements.
If You can’t deal with that, then provide things to back up Your claims first.
Let us look at the example:
Player ‚A’ says that vechicle ‚X’ is better than vechicle ‚Y’. Player ‚B’ points out that it is not true and talks why actually vechicle ‚Y’ is better than vechicle ‚X’.
In this moment we have a discussion when both sides have said what they think.
Now, Player ‚B’ explains his point of view while also providing evidence backing up his claims, why Player ‚A’ still argues without providing anything.
Now discussion is still taking place, while one side provided something and other refuses to while still arguing.
As Player ‚A’ refuses to provide anything backing up his claims, Player ‚B’ notices that Player ‚A’ stats totally contradict his own statement meaning that his own experience in the game couldn’t even make him belive what he is saying.
So should Player ‚B’ still have a discussion with Player ‚A’ when he clearly doesn’t really want a discussion and has some hidden agenda? Isn’t it better to just point it out?
Nope… We’re well beyond having any sort of discussion as your demand for proof is just your opinion, that your argument, and backup with ‘stats’ and your ‘proof’, makes any argument against you, nullified, and that is bad faith arguing because you can’t actually accept the other point of view, let alone the discussion that surrounds it.
And that’s where you keep deflecting.
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Again.
If You can’t provide anything to back up Your own claims, there is no point in having a discussion with You. Especially when Your own game record contradicts what You are saying.
That’s your opinion, and we’ll have to agree to disagree…
Your demand is irrational and derailing, overall detrimental to ANY sort of discussion.
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If one wants to have a proper discussion and his points are actually real then he won’t have any problem in providing something for it.
This is a video game and if someone says that „x” happens then it can be seen in server replays.
If You can’t even do that, then again there is no point in having a discussion.