Beside the point. Not relevant to the discussion.
Except you brought up how it would be more historically accurate to be lacking the armament. When it’s service life does line up with it, and the armament was backwards compatible. So it is quite relevant, it just doesn’t serve your position so you wish to discount it.
As you’re intent on taking a hatchet to current iterations instead of supporting the more sound, and less disruptive option to push for an additional variant with limited to no access to magics.
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MiG-23MLD, F-5A/E for example prove you wrong.
Except they don’t, as MIG 23 MLD is at the upper edge of the 11.7 rating (and there are arguments that could be made for it being 12.0) and still has comparably lacking features, and the F5s are food for an F1 if it’s remotely sharp.
As I said I do not oppose the adition of new variants I welcome them.
You need to sit down and read what I wrote.
If you believe that without Magic 2 Mirage F.1, depending on the Br without Super 530F as well would out do MiG-23 or F-5E FCU you have no Idea what you are talking about.
@Mathll Tag, I’m too tired to deal with this. I saw you lurking, you deal with it.
Dealing with dishonest positions makes me a touch eepy 😿
Having the f16a at 12.3 while the mirage f1s sit at 12.0 is kinda funny, recompression!
Acting high and mighty are we?
I only want you to deliver heavy hitter arguments.
F.1C without Magic 1 would not face vastly superior platforms in a full uptier.
Without Magic 2 it at 11.7 for example it would be quite comparable in ability to MiG-23MLD and others.
Just take a look at some of the aircraft at 11.7 and 11.3.
There are some brutal machines to find there.
The only reason Mirage F.1 is 12.0 is Magic 2 which is so good that, if F.1 is played carefully since it is decently fast and maneuverable at high speeds, one can get a lot of work done in it.
The flight performance is more comparable to aircraft far below it’s battle rating.
F-8E in a full uptier assuming Fm1C without Magic would be 11.7 instead of 11.3 would not have to fear engaging it. Same for Draken. MiG-21 could still fight it as well. Viggen C is 11.3 btw.
Mirage 2000C S4 is 12.3 while having some countermeasures more seemingly required S5 to be placed at 12.7.
F-18 also existst at 12.3 nowadays.
And then there are the 13.0 jets of course.
Take stock of the situation and tell me Mirage F.1 is not pushed as far as is reasonable?
That does not mean it is not good at 12.9 but having one of the 3 at 11.3 or 11.7 would make for quite the interesting gameplay and give a reason to play the F.1C or switch around between the variants.
It would out do them fm wise and performance wise.
The mirage f1s have pretty solid air frames now adays unlike when they released
You’re essentially saying remove all its historical kit to drop its BR for no objective reason.
They are fine 12.0 planes man
Sunshine, your arguments have about as much polish as a sphere does a cutting edge. There is no heavy hitting here.
You are, at worst, dishonest. At best, you’re ill informed. I am not high and mighty, I am just on my last legs regarding swearing at people for ineptitude on the forums, and I really would rather not cross that line. I haven’t the patience for souls like you, and I never have.
Like what? You can out pace every plane below it.
If you manage your energy and stay in a constant mach 1.1 turn basically nothing can touch you, at all.
F5 cant keep up, mig23 cant either as it would need its wings swept back and actively loses more speed the more sweep in turns.
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Yes they would, its literally better than all of yhem even if restricted to magic 1s
A slightly damp supersonic bit of toast would outperform the viggen in almost every aspect.
Looks at super etendard
No thanks. I don’t want to be reminded the state of my poor Swedish tree. 😿
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I need to spade it still actually
I would offer to help, but it’s not fun facing F16s constantly 😿
Removing Magic 2 would be just as historical.
Viggen, J-7E , F-8E, F-5E, MiG-23ML/MLA/MLD and Draken can tear the F.1 a new one if you catch my drift.
I have to admit that this discussion is driving me to despair 😂. I don’t even see what arguments I could put forward in addition, I even offered to make suggestions for new variants but oh well
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You can run away from some but that wont help you if you actually have to fight…