The problem is that no solution is right for the Mirage F1. Mounting the aircraft in a BR would render it unusable, and removing the Magic 2s would be foolish, as they remain a historic loadout.
The only real solution (I think) would be to decompress the BRs, thus distancing it from the weakest aircraft it faces.
mig23 stealth fighter?
Yes, actually.
For months when it had the wings swept back, the radar cross section would functionally disappear. An infuriating bug that greatly benefitted any MiG-23 player at the time. They gained the first-shot advantage over any other SARH slinger due to that.
Magic 1 would be just as historical for the base model.
It doesn’t matter if the Mirage F1CT suffers in air-to-air, it’s a strike aircraft after all.
This is the greatest loss for buddy lasing. CT just looks proper with laser guided payload 😿
It would also help if anything this person claimed to be obvious regarding the Mirage F1’s capabilities were remotely correct.
At present, thanks to a number of changes to the platform and radar modeling as a whole, the Matra 530Fs are comfortable ignoring chaff as well MTI mode ignoring chaff provided your positioning is correct. This, coupled with the fixed FM and Magic 2s means it is quite a potent platform at 12.0, where the only real downside is a limited RWR and a radar with a short range (yet still long enough to utilise the 530s effectively). It is among the stronger 12.0 platforms for air to air, and the primary reason you see them bombing? There’s a premium equivalent which is almost entirely 1:1 and premiums at this BR tend to know only how to bomb, or haven’t the patience to learn to engage in air to air.
I used to agree that it was very mediocre at the rating, however, the multitude of changes have developed it into an exceptional platform with a few caveats you need to be cognisant of.
Did anyone actually read your rant?
The AIM-9G is also a histotical loadout for the F-16 and yet it has AIM-9Ls and then M
If you assume that you have to remove the weapons from an airplane to balance it, it may be that you first need to review the current balance in the game. The problem is really not that it has 2 missiles that are too powerful, the problem is that it faces less good airplanes in downtier, so decompression would be necessary.
And unless I’m mistaken, the Tornado (which is at the same Br and has a much better radar with much better radar missiles) is just as good, if not better, in air combat and yet no one wants to nerf it.
I never said the F1 CT suffers in game, it’s a very good plane
It’s not about nerfing F.1.
It is about not having a aircraft practically cloned twice at the same Br.
You are way off tangent.
Tornado at the same BR has some issues that I would argue put it on parity. They’re both good platforms at the BR.
Problem is not that they want to nerf it. Problem is that they don’t want to learn to use it against the threats it faces and want it at a lower BR instead. Which would be resolved by providing an early version instead of taking a hatchet to what we’ve got. Apparently the fact that premiums tend to be almost 1:1 with a tech tree counterpart regarding air evades them.
As it is an exceptional platform at 12.0, it really would not do to have one or the other downgraded which would impact the enjoyment of either the parties who purchased the premium article or made their way through the tech tree. Easiest remedy would be an early version that can appeal to the souls who fail to grasp that it’s an exceptional plane at a quite comfortable BR, without hindering those who are fond of it where it is.
Why “nerf” / clone/ whatever, when you can just bring a “premium” or event or both MF.1CG with 4x AIM-9P-4 and make it 11,3 (by current standards)?
I would like the Spanish Mirage F.1 also but in theory Br are adjustments are easier to get implemented.
What would be the issue with Mirage F.1C being at a lower Br without Magic 2?
It could be a beast at 11.3 or 11.7 depending wether or not you want to keep Mirage F.1CT and C-200 at 12.0 or.not.
“I don’t know how to utilise it effectively at its current BR so remove features from it and send it down so I can seal club with it”
Is not exactly the most compelling argument to cut out historically accurate features of a platform.
My my so presumptuous!
I have good results in all 3 variants. The tech tre ones are doing a little worse since I also played them before the flight model was adjusted.
Having the earliest variant, the Mirage F.1C that is, in a configuration without either Magic 2 or Magic 2 as well as Super 530F would put in a very nice position gameplay wise.
It is not about historical inaccuracy since it would simply be the same jet a few years earlier.
All I want is more unique and skill requiring gameplay. Removing Magic 2 makes it somewhat harder to play while taking off the edge regarding uptiers.
While you have to work a bit more for kills the ceiling of possible success is raised.
With F-5E FCU at 11.3, F-4E at 11.3 and MiG-23MLd/MLA at 11.7 there certainly would be room for a Mirage F.1 variant.
When I played MiG-23MLD last weekend it did reasonable well considering I did not play it in ages.
Having one Mirage F.1 that wont get uptiered to 13.0 would be lovely.
Depending on the variant everything between 11.0 and 11.7 would be possible.
“I want more unique and skill requiring gameplay so let me move an aircraft into a BR where it will seal club by removing historically accurate weaponry”
Doesn’t strike me as a cohesive position. You could support the addition of other variants and put your energy by that, yet you’ve staked out your hill to die on and apparently that’s “remove these things that are accurate instead of providing an early version”.
Can you read?
Do you look at other aircraft in the Br bracket?
How would it seal club?
Please stop paraphrasing what you think I am saying in a quote.
Quote or do not quote what you are doing is rather misleading.
Removing Magic 2 would be just as accurate.
F.1C entered service 3 years before Magic 1 entered service I believe.
It would likely be more realistic not to have Magic 2 on the F.1C in regard to it’s time in service with Magic 1 and 2 respectively.
I still need you to point out why F.1C without Magic 2 at a lower Br would be a problem so that we might stop moving in circles.
I really should not have to explain to you that magic 2 was intended to be backwards compatible, and that the Mirage F1C was in service well past the introduction of magic 2.
It’s almost like the aircraft’s weaponry (even with the removal of Magic 2) coupled with the efficacy of it’s FM and myriad CMs would put it still far and away above 90% of the aircraft between 10.7 (lower bound) and 11.7 (where you propose it end up) whilst being barely usable at 12.7 (upper bound). This really is not hard to grasp.
But you don’t seem to honestly want to engage with the topic from your interactions. Especially as your intended solution is apparently not to push for the introduction of a new platform with limited to no access to magics at a lower BR, but instead to handicap one of the existing platforms because it appeals to your fancy to enjoy a “…beast at 11.3 or 11.7”. Which tends to suggest you’re aware of how it would actually interact with the environment you want to send it to.
I’ve little opposition to a new platform. I do not, however, support handicapping the current (and historically sound) iterations in favour of appealing to your power fantasy at lower battle ratings.