Today, I’d like to open a discussion about the possibility of removing the Magic 2 missiles from the Mirage F1C in order to lower its Battle Rating (BR).
Currently sitting at 12.0, the Mirage F1C is placed this high mainly due to its access to the Magic 2—one of the best all-aspect Fox-2 in the game. However, this high BR makes the rest of its loadout feel underwhelming. The R530F, aFox-1 missile with a CW seeker, is extremely weak at this level, where most aircraft are equipped with much more capable radar-guided and all-aspect IR missiles. Additionally, the centerline-mounted R530 is largely ineffective in 12.0 gameplay.
In terms of flight performance, the Mirage F1C is also subpar at this BR. It performs more in line with early MiG-23 variants and the F-4E—aircraft that typically sit around 11.3.
Historically, it’s also worth noting that the Mirage F1C did not carry Magic 2 missiles for most of its service life; they were only integrated near the end.
Lowering the Mirage F1C’s BR to 11.3 (after removing the Magic 2) would not only better reflect its capabilities but also help fill a significant gap in the French tech tree. Currently, there’s no aircraft between BR 11.0 and 12.0, making the jump quite steep for French players.
i disagree, the magics at 11.0 and 11.3 remain fairly good, and at this br, you could actually use the R530F on some target without having to pray that your target is a wallet warrior that don t know how to chaff. The flight perf at this br is also decent thus allowing it to get some dogfights
I would prefer seeing the Mirage F1C having its Magic 2s removed, this would create a gap where we could see Mirage 2000C-S3 added with 4x Magic 1s as well, which could perform similarly to a better J-7E.
Currently the Magic 2s with the Mirage F1s airframe is an awkward combination as the missiles far outstrip the performance of the flight performance. Smin has stated that Gaijin does not give certain aircrafts missiles that outweigh their performance. This aircraft is a glaring contradiction and should be resolved.
The Mirage F1 can have its topspeed reported and also have the Super 530F reported but there’s no point so long as the Magic 2 remains on it as it’ll just get the aircraft moved up in BRs.
I dont think it would make any difference, most things would still have a RWR and chaff. They effectiveness wouldnt increase.
2x Magic Is vs aircraft like the F-4E sligning 4x equal AAMs and you have now lost your only advantage of the Mig-23ML/MLD or the 12.0 fighters you had. In a 1v1 fight against a Mig-23MLD you would have to somehow get onto its tail to fire, all whilst defending against R-60Ms and R-24Rs being fired at you on something more nimble.
the F1C would be miserable at anything above about 10.7 with only Magic 1s
In this though, this is just because France never produced an all-aspect non-IRCCM missile like the Aim-9L or R-60M, so its either them or rear-aspects
Respectfully, Gaijin are the biggest liars in the gaming scene. Nothing they say can ever be taken for fact, and their policy on things change faster than ancient China’s government.
Chaff resistance has been reportedly buffed on missiles like Super 530F. Magic 1 had been buffed overtime. It would do well at 11.3, versus 12.0 where aircrafts have far more countermeasures to do well against Super 530F.
We have sources ready to buff the speed of the Super 530F but there’s no point in reporting it if it’s still remaining at a BR of 12.0 where it can be defeated with relatively more ease.
Still think it would be woefully underpowered vs a Mig-23 or F-4E, let alone the fact it would still face 12.0 and 12.3s like the F3 and F-18 but now without its main defence. Yeah, its rough for it in a full uptier at 12.0, but just sounds like a weaker Tornado IDS at 11.3
I would support it. And I’d perhaps go a step further than that even. Remove both the Magic 2 and Super 530F in exchange for putting it a whole Br lower. Those who wish to use the 530F and Magic 2 can use the F1CT instead - giving it an actual purpose ingame
absolutelyn the FIC200 and the F1CT should not loose the magic 2, I m just asking for the F1C, thus allowing it to have its own identity and to allow the french tt to get a decent fighter at 11.0 11.3 br. Especially now that they are working on a 11.0 line up
what are you all smoking, the f1c has good flight performance for 11.3, we must play very differently because you can energy fight with most 12.0’s and get some firing solutions in there if you take good lines. Sure its not the most agile but youre hella fast and your retention is decent.
I think I haven’t made myself as clear as I thought I did. I’d suggest having the F1C with Magic 1s and R.530/Es at 11.0, making it an “early” F1 of sorts, having the F1C-200 with Super 530Fs at 11.3 without Magic 2s as well and finally having the F1CT at 12.0 and letting it be as it is. Each F1 would have a raison d’etre that way
Magic 1s are 9L equivalents, Magic 2s are 9M equivalents, if 9Ls can be given to lower BR aircraft without them becoming garbage with inferior performance, so can the F1C.
Magic 1 were considered slightly superior to the Aim-9G by the RN prior to the Falklands but when the Argentines found out the SHars had 9Ls they avoided A2A combat at all cost.
9L slaps the living hell out of magic 1.
The problem is that France has no Aim-9L/R-60M equivalent