I 100% support this. The Magic II is just a cancerous missile and it actively hampers the Mirage F1 while being incredibly ennoying to fight.
10.7 or 11.0 would be great for this aircraft
And in turn the F-1CT could keep the Magic II but go up in BR after getting its AS-30s and anything else it may be missing
The Magic 1 is of course included with it, the plane has them (almost always used them), I meant only the classic 530 as a radar missile
Could it not also carry the AIM-9B?
Yes, I think so. The missile must still have been in stock at that time in the French army and remained so for some time.
On the other hand, if it is added with this it will be one of the plane with the worst grind experiences
If it only has 9B and 530 it will most likely be at 10.3 or 10.7 so it won’t be that bad
I was thinking more about what he has stock AIM-9Bs and then unlocking Magic 1s in modification (which would give him a Br of 11.0 or 11.3)
Leaving just the AIM-9B on the Mirage F1C would not make sense, this missile was hardly ever used on the aircraft
Unreasonable.
It is not fair for the aircraft it fights to face the Magic II. One plane being overtiered is better than having 10 planes that struggle against it
Mirage IIIE should be 10.3.
Mirage IIIC should be 10.0 with AIM-9B possibly 9.7.
No
The problem is that even if the Magic 2 are good, the plane itself does not necessarily deserve to go up to Br, the flight performances are average for the Br, the same for the radar and the radar missiles, in my opinion this is not necessarily worth an increase in Br
Raising it slightly in Br would put it above the Tornado F3 (early) whereas (in my opinion) the two planes are almost equal
MiG-23MLD has two R-24R at 11.7.
There is no reason to face R-77 and more AIM-120s etc. than Mirage F.1 already does.
Br compression is an issue but there is again no need for that issue to be carried by Mirage F.1.
Mirage F.1C at a lower Br without Magic 2 would be interesting while adding a new Br to the tech tree.
No you stated the f1c br should be different from the f1 200 and its identical bar a fueling probe.
The f1ct is missing its guided weapons as mentioned, its platform is still the same, it doesn’t suddenly become worse due to being a strike variant.
Still carries the magic 2s and 2 radar missiles.
The F1CT cannot use its guided weapons alone, they cannot be added in-game
Im aware of that, all that respond meant was it is actively missing them, and as mentioned above the reason why
You got a few things wrong there.
I would like to see Mirage F.1 at a lower Br without Magic 2.
Mirage F.1CT only can do buddy lasing.
So guided weapons on it would be cool but mostly useless.
Generally speaking, I think the best solution is to leave the planes as they are now and that we should instead add a new aircraft (F1-C early) with only Magic 1 and R530. This way everyone is happy, the gap between the Mirage III and the current F1 will be filled and the current aircraft remains in its current state. (I’ll do a suggestion next week)
Seems like everyone forgot when the Mirage was the worst premium jet until it got Magic 2s
You forget the timeline of the Mirage F1, because the premium literally did not exist until the F1CT had been introduced and both it and the F1C had already gotten Magic II (in heavily nerfed form, being little more than a Magic I with all aspect capability and no IRCCM).
In case you’re incapable of remembering things from before 6 months ago, let me elucidate you.
The Mirage F1C was introduced during the patch where the F-4E/F-4J lost terribly to the newly introduced and significantly overperforming MiG-23MLD, and the F1C (as a rough competitor to the F-4E) also had poor performance.
The subsequent update added the F-14A, which blew both the MiG-23MLD out of the water and annihilated the Mirage F1C. Between these two updates is when the Mirage F1C was given access to heavily nerfed Magic II in order to compensate for underperformance in flight and weapon systems, relative to vastly overperforming MiG-23ML, MLA and MLD in both weapon systems, flight performance and radar cross section.
Gen 4, and the Mirage F1C-200 are added next.
We can skip to when Magic II was given IRCCM with MiG-29SMT and F-16C were added, which now disproportionately buffed the Mirage F1C (and now F1C-200 and CT as they had been added) to the point where it annihilated any Gen 3 fighter in the game at the time. From then onward, it continued to be above all comparable Gen 3 aircraft due to the ability to guarantee two kills from almost all aspects within visual range.
None of the Mirage F1 variants are actually capable of competing at 12.0 when they’re faced with a Gen 4 aircraft. No proper Pulse Doppler radar, no CW seekers (and therefore chaff resistance) for their Fox 1 missiles, and mediocre flight performance. Their “saving grace” is having two missiles that vastly outperform and overtier the aircraft itself.
It should be obvious to anyone who has an an ounce of critical thinking that a fighter that is mostly used for bombing and then surprise attacks on mostly superior opponents at the same BR isn’t supposed to be there. Magic II is too strong for Mirage F1C and F1C-200 to actually properly fight things that it should fight.
Nah it got a full rework a few times…
Energy retention, engine n whatnot