Magic 1s are only slightly better than r60mks on a worse FM
F5E could easily tickle it to
What?
If you are losing to a bis or MF in a mirage F1C or F1 200 you need to re-evaluate how you are using it.
You beat them with energy alone.
The FM on a mirage F1C is not worse than a mig21MF mate…
The Magic 1’s have substantially more range than R60Ms-
(dunno why you specificed the 60MK, they’re identical just the K is export.)
F5E is arguably under BR’d but it overall still loses to the F1C , if you are dueling like 1v1’s then likely not as they are absolutely sht for finding out what is better in ARB xD
Mate you’ve never even touched an F1C or F1 200 xD lets not go there.
Really than why has the only reason a mirage ever won is with its magic2 never lost in a gun fight
Lost to who? what are you on about xD
The fact you are negative in an F5C leads me to believe you’re talking about stuff you know nothing about.
A mirage f1 C or F1 200 is a very capable air frame, ive bet F16s in it does that mean its better than an F16? no it doesnt.
ive beaten F14s in it, does that mean its better than them? no
hell ive beaten F15s in it does that mean its better than them! no
Just cause you’ve shot down likely F1 200’s flown by low levels with no idea how to use the platform doesn’t mean it deserves to go down, its one of my most used rank 7s and believe me, it is a perfectly capable platform where it is.
Next you’ll tell me the F4S should be 11.7
no F4S deserves 12.3 no right being 12.0
the F4S deserves to sit at teh same BR as the F16A? and mirage 2000 ? got it…
yeah its HMD agile eagle aim-7s with a pulse dop radar
its the best phantom other than the ICE
Its still a generation 3 platform mate.
Nah the F4EJ kai also beats it due to radar set from an F16.
The F4S however does not deserve to sit at the same BR as the objectively better in every way , F18A, F16A, Mirage 2000S C-4 etc etc
or would you have the F4S square off against the likes of the su34? .
as well as that you have the Mig29’s, F16AJs etc 12.7 iterations, all one step above it?
nah mate
F4EJ kai doesnt get agile eagle
it has zero right to be same BR as F4J when its better
It gets a substantially better radar set.
and 9Ls
Thats an issue of compression.
You cannot just ram it up there and hope for the best
its HMD agile eagle. EJ kai it at 12.3 and it only got 9L, not a notable improvement especially when considering F-4S can equip 6 sparrow instead of 4.
Have beaten a few F16s (bad players, but still) with the F1 using cannons without AAMs, not sure how folk are losing to mig 21s. And I’m abysmal at air to air.
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You’re overlooking the ej kai also has the F16 radar set
(It is arguably over BRd right now but its due to compression)
The F4S has an inferior radar to the ej kai by a sizable margin.
4 aim7Fs on an F16 radar set sre far more likely to land than 6 on the f4s radar set.
Then ofc the 4 x 9Ls help massively compared to 9H
Exactly my point the mirage f1C is not a bad airframe.
Back when it dropped before it got buffed over the past 3 years it was a pretty poor airframe like it wasnt good.
Now but as far as third gens go its pretty solid.
Mig21s cant touch it if you use it properly aka dont just try turn with them.
Same as f5’s you can out energy them too if you play it right cause the f5 has a far narrower Margin of retention…
Can even beat f4es and most 12.0s
I really believe HMS defeat radar quality below 13.3, the flexibility defeats track quality in my eyes since I don’t treat sparrow like AMRAAM or Alamo ER.