Magic Is have the same flight performance as the Magic IIs, they’re hands-down the best rear-aspect missiles (PL-5B close second). The F1C is a fast and decently agile aircraft, with an MTI radar that wasn’t nerfed like the MiG-23s, alright SARH missiles (good performance, bad seeker), and quite substantial countermeasures count. It’d be quite good for 11.3 without Magic IIs. It’d struggle against 12.3s of course but that’s an issue of those 12.3s needing to move up, not the F1C being put at a BR where it can face 9.7s where some aircraft haven’t any missiles nor countermeasures.
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I completely agree.
The F1C is weirdly placed in the current matchmaking, it has 2 OP missiles for the BR and top speed, but everything else is subpar or straight up bad.
Putting it lower in BR with magic 1s which are still among the best non IRCCM missiles will make the F1C more interesting to play.
Currently, it’s a straight 2 free kill loadout regardless of skill, but then you’re pretty useless. This is bad for balancing IMHO. It’s almost as bad as when the premium A-10/su-25 faced flareless jets on the regular basis.
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It would definitely not shithouse the lobbies. It’s FM would be decent at best. The radar would be great, but the missiles would be average at best, still being CW.
The F1C also lost one missile in its Max loadout (from 5 with the central point to 4), so at 4 max missiles, it would definitely not be the biggest threat around.
It’s two main advantages would be countermeasure number and radar awareness, which is not out of the ordinary in any means
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Even with magic ones it would wreck lobbies mate act like access to two magic ones and at least 2 530Fs wouldnt cause mayhem at 11.3 , alongside a good fm and astromical counter measure count is just being nieve
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Dl you realize that at 10.3, the Mirage III E already has access to 2 magic 1s, and one radar missile, that while definitely not as good as the 530F, still makes it carry 3 missiles ?.
At 11.0 you already see planes like the F4E carrying 4 AIM7D, each more usable than the R530F, and that’s without counting the other 4 9P, which while worse than the magic 1, grants the plane 2 times as much missiles. The Mirage F1 also is at best comparable to earlier MiG 23 and F4E, which just happen to sit at the same BR.
The mig23MF for example also happen to use a MTI radar at 11.0 and fires R23, which are very comparable to the R530F currently in game , with R60MK which are all aspect missiles. So I would at least compare them to magic 1s even if their use case is completely different. The Mirage F1 is also very comparable to the MiG 23 in flight performance.
The Mirage F1C at 11.0 with just magic 1 would in absolutely no way overpower the BR when other aircraft’s like the MiG 23 and F4E currently sit.
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It also is a worse platform with a worse radar and technically worse radar missile.
The f1 c also has access to better ground strike as well can have 2 IR missiles and 3 radar missiles
It has access to aim7E-2 and the f4e arguably should be 11.7
As well as this the F1 C /200 is an arguably better platform.
F4e also has no mti/pd radar and access to only aim9Js which are not anywhere near as good as even magic 1s.
The mig23M is 11.0 and it shows, its only real bonus is the r60s at 11.0.
The f4e ive already addressed above.
The mig23M /MF is a far worse FM / platform the MTI is also far more finicky as it cannot just be turned on like the mirage F1Cs can.
As well as this R23 isnt really comparable to the 530F as it is a weaker missile overall, especially in sim.
The mig23 has far inferior retetion and sustained rate.
The MLD and MLA have a more comparable FM and are 11.7 due to the r24s.
Having used all of the planes youre talking about extensively the mirage f1 beats them all outwith missile perfromance, even with magic 1s it would beat them all relatively easily.
Edit: can test it if youd like i can use the f1 with the 3 radar missiles , and 2 magic 1s if youd like and show you.
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As apparently the only person happy with where the f1C is at present, I’ll add my two cents.
With recent-ish changes to radar, the 530F does start to reject chaff occasionally. I found this to be the case alongside a friend when we wanted to test if they were made useful by the changes. The flight model is completely adequate for the BR, couple this with magic 2s and you can do pretty alright for yourself.
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Its an actually good plane for its br, sure the release.fm and 530s were ass but its no longer that same platform and it does magic (haha) where it is
It’s a perfectly acceptable aircraft currently. But it’d be more well-rounded at 11.3 without Magic IIs. France lacks any 11.x fighters, and really they haven’t anything between 10.7 and 12.0 considering how poorly the F-104Gs perform. Moving it down would fill that BR gap, and the F1CT (with its better RWR and countermeasures) would still be available for 12.0.
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He feels great in ASB. Probably the best aircraft on the 11.7
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I don’t see a problem with it being where it is now, the problem is in the BR of the other planes, with a higher BR than it, Gaijin should increase the BR of modern and capable planes, because the way it is, the BR from 12.0 to 13.0 is unusable for most planes.
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The fact is , it wouldn’t be 11.3 without magic 2s.
Even with the magic 1s it would still sit at least at 11.7…
The plane is fine at 12.0 with what it has, infact I dare to say its actually one of the best premium 12.0s in the game now adays. When it originally released and what not it was a flying bus, and only the magics redeemed it. However, it is no longer that same plane at all.
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I mean the F1C or F1 200 with even magic 1s would still be seeing stuff at 12.3 like F18 and the F16 which trounce it easily anyway…
As you say the issue isnt the mirage its the damn planes sitting 0.3 above it which are a generation newer and more advanced.
Given how gaijin can be reluctant to remove anything from a vehicle, i would say that another way to get a lower BR Mirage F1 would be to ask for a new vehicle like :
- a Mirage F1C (early), that would be the easiest one to do
- The Mirage F1B, that would be worse because of the added weight and lack of internal gun
- The Mirage F1A, the attacker variant exported to South Africa and libya, limited to 2 Magic 1
- The Mirage F1 M53, with the M53 engine and same weaponry as a early F1C
The early F1C would probably be 11.3, while both F1B and F1A, having different kinds of drawbacks, would probably be 11.0.
Finally, the F1 M53 could be 11.7, thanks to its better engine.
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i feel it could be 11.0 with only magic 1s and its radar missile
Mirage F1C lose magic 2 and decrease BR to 11.7 (Air AB & RB) and 11.3 (Air SB)
But Mirage F1C-200 and Mirage F1CT retain magic 2
Are you mad? xD
the FM is good, good retention, good AoA, respectfully balanced.
The engine is pretty decent, the 530F’s aren’t great at all but they used in the right situation can do alrightm same as the underslung IR missile
even with magic 1s you’re talking 11.7 easily. in what world would it sit at 11.0… same BR as the mig21 BIS or the Mig23M which are both far worse, and below the worse F4E
mig 21 bis could very easily beat it with ease even MF model could dog on it
Magic 1s are only slightly better than r60mks on a worse FM