Should the mirage F1C loose its magic 2 in order to go to 11.3

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And they always seem to chase as well its hilarious man

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Regardless of what you believe, tbe EJ kai radar is far more difficult to notch, break lock and sometimes get past tbe headon with.

The F4S while a great phantom still struggles to get and maintain that lock compared to the kai

As well as that, 4 x 9L is also a massive boom

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if you can make EJ kai not get lock in the first place, you win. you can make F4S out of position and its still gonna sling you.

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F4s out of position is less likely to lock and sling than an eh kai its radar scope is not only smaller but weaker.

Now we are off topic man

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HMD for F-4J/S is borderline useless due to fact that it has no missiles that can take advatage of it

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Exactly my point, hell on the F4J it struggles to even get a lock the ACM mode is more reliable xD

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EJ KAI also has the longer nose and nose mounted gun

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I find is useless on F-4S (and i imagine its not gonna be much different on F-4J) due to fact that

  • its IRs are rear-aspect only + have low peak G pull; these need to be lead as much as possible and as such theres no feasible scenario where HMS would make any significant difference to hitting the target
  • sparrows are not gonna hit anyway in any scenario where they are launched at close range because the target will sooner break the lock before the missile can intercept it

Not to mention that if you find yourself in situation where you need to use HMS on Phantom in dogfight you already made several mistakes beforehand to end up in such situation anyway.

At long ranges any plane that does not have HMS will simply be able to lock the target in standard ACM mode anyway.

Only scenario where HMS on Phantom is advantage is when its long range shot against group of enemies and you want to lock specific one.

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Aim9H in the f4s are actually pretty decent tbh man but yeah the situation does change at all they need to be led same as almosy IR missiles.

Exactly and situations where you can HMD you still have to point the plane at the general direction of the enemy to get a solid solution.
Cant off bore it, plus the aim7F on the ej kai actually can be fired in a better crank position due to the radar scope being wider.

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Dont get me wrong i like them, but i know that they dont get any use out of HMS.

Yep, agree.

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Decent doesnt mean they are great, theyre not suddenly gonna pull like R73s or that off the rails, theyre still worse aim9Ls on a paltform at 12.0