What do you mean? Since yesterday you’ve been telling us that because the ground attack version has the same armament as the air combat version, the air combat version should be artificially nerfed. If I follow the same logic, I propose that we remove the AIM-9M from the F-15C and put AIM-9Gs in their place.
Exactly what you did. Excuse me that I am not willing to scroll up now and pick out comments if you want we can boil the argument down to your response to removing Magic 1 and putting the plane at 11.3 or 11.7 depending wether Super 530F stays for example.
You said it would seal club which I disputed.
Then what?
Not at all.
I would support having Magic 2 removed from F.1.
This is neither a nerf since the Br would be adjusted accordingly nor would it be artifical since Mirage F.1C served mostly without Magic 2 if I’m not mistaken.
It would however fill a gap in the tech tree, take off the edge regarding uptiers and make for lovely gameplay all without seal clubbing lower Brs as I have pointed out in soon to be reaching excruciating detail.
It would give the F15 a more favourable BR spread, after all.
Then you were presented with evidence which you chose to ignore because it was not charitable to your position with the excuse that we were wrong, whilst failing to distinguish where we wrong. Does that catch you up? I’m happy for you to review it and find fault with our positions that isn’t just screaming into the void that “It can’t be so”.
I’ve argued with folk like you plenty enough to just keep dragging this back to the fact you’re ignoring arguments you don’t like.
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I follow your reasoning: since the air-to-air weaponry is too similar, we remove the historical weaponry.
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You simultaneously also follow the reasoning that the similarity stands to be changed in order to achieve a more favourable battle rating. However, I suspect this individual might do to that argument what they’ve been doing to mine.
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No. Read what I said.
Yes, that’s true, I’ll probably close the forum for today before I start talking nonsense and getting angry.
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It is not necessarily more favourable since you have to work harder for kills.
You simply wont have to face 4th gen jets as much.
All in line with being a air to air focused initial variant.
Lovely isn’t it.
You already misinterpreted some posts of mine.
“It is not more favourable but it grants you this great boon of not fighting 4th gen aircraft that you can keep up with quite comfortably”.
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Can you confirm that your argument is that you want to remove the Magic 2 because you find that the plane is too similar to the other two (while as explained it is not similar)?
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With the caveat that they do not desire an F1C (Early), instead favouring the degradation of current platforms.
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The flight model allows it to retain energy.
Energy is used to win every fight almost.
It has a good sustaijed turn rate, and actually good angle of attack.
Two strong cannons with a decent amount of ammo, lots of countermeasures as well being able to out pace or out rate the planes below it
Also the fact you dont see the advantage of its flight model , retention and genuine advantages like speed. As an advantage says a lot.
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It is not simply about similarity. That is not the motivating favtor as I stated above.
The baseline is that Mirage F.1 is pressed into 12.0 above all else by carrying Magic 2.
Without Magic 2 it would be somewhat compareable to MiG-23.
MiG-23 does hold some clear advantages still in that situation and there are many more competitive aircraft at 11.7 and below as I pointed out previously.
Since as far as I am aware Mirage F.1C served with Magic 1 during it’s heydays taking the opportunity to create some variation between the Mirage F.1 variants we currently have as far as a2a is concerned would add variety in gameplay and fill a gap in the tech tree.
Can’t wait for this to be ignored in creative and fun ways.
Except I somehow suspect it will just be “No, that’s not true” whilst pointing to an example that proves it.
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He literally Explained to you why it has magic 2s mate
MiG-23 and J-7E will just outrate it.
F.1 can pull hatd at low speed but it becomes a bit of a bus at lower speeds.
Lovely AOA but not much retention below compressing speeds.
I am willing to try it out with you.
Though running wont count as a victory.
You can outrun some high tier aircraft in 9.7 planes but that wont change their efficiency in air to air.
Mig 23 wont out rate it.
They have the huge issue of choosing speed or rate.
Cant really do both anymore.
J7E OUT RATES BUT CANT OUT PACE.
Please read what im saying…
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I must be Nostradamus, I predicted the future.