My my so presumptuous!
I have good results in all 3 variants. The tech tre ones are doing a little worse since I also played them before the flight model was adjusted.
Having the earliest variant, the Mirage F.1C that is, in a configuration without either Magic 2 or Magic 2 as well as Super 530F would put in a very nice position gameplay wise.
It is not about historical inaccuracy since it would simply be the same jet a few years earlier.
All I want is more unique and skill requiring gameplay. Removing Magic 2 makes it somewhat harder to play while taking off the edge regarding uptiers.
While you have to work a bit more for kills the ceiling of possible success is raised.
With F-5E FCU at 11.3, F-4E at 11.3 and MiG-23MLd/MLA at 11.7 there certainly would be room for a Mirage F.1 variant.
When I played MiG-23MLD last weekend it did reasonable well considering I did not play it in ages.
Having one Mirage F.1 that wont get uptiered to 13.0 would be lovely.
Depending on the variant everything between 11.0 and 11.7 would be possible.
“I want more unique and skill requiring gameplay so let me move an aircraft into a BR where it will seal club by removing historically accurate weaponry”
Doesn’t strike me as a cohesive position. You could support the addition of other variants and put your energy by that, yet you’ve staked out your hill to die on and apparently that’s “remove these things that are accurate instead of providing an early version”.
I really should not have to explain to you that magic 2 was intended to be backwards compatible, and that the Mirage F1C was in service well past the introduction of magic 2.
It’s almost like the aircraft’s weaponry (even with the removal of Magic 2) coupled with the efficacy of it’s FM and myriad CMs would put it still far and away above 90% of the aircraft between 10.7 (lower bound) and 11.7 (where you propose it end up) whilst being barely usable at 12.7 (upper bound). This really is not hard to grasp.
But you don’t seem to honestly want to engage with the topic from your interactions. Especially as your intended solution is apparently not to push for the introduction of a new platform with limited to no access to magics at a lower BR, but instead to handicap one of the existing platforms because it appeals to your fancy to enjoy a “…beast at 11.3 or 11.7”. Which tends to suggest you’re aware of how it would actually interact with the environment you want to send it to.
I’ve little opposition to a new platform. I do not, however, support handicapping the current (and historically sound) iterations in favour of appealing to your power fantasy at lower battle ratings.
Except you brought up how it would be more historically accurate to be lacking the armament. When it’s service life does line up with it, and the armament was backwards compatible. So it is quite relevant, it just doesn’t serve your position so you wish to discount it.
As you’re intent on taking a hatchet to current iterations instead of supporting the more sound, and less disruptive option to push for an additional variant with limited to no access to magics.
Except they don’t, as MIG 23 MLD is at the upper edge of the 11.7 rating (and there are arguments that could be made for it being 12.0) and still has comparably lacking features, and the F5s are food for an F1 if it’s remotely sharp.
As I said I do not oppose the adition of new variants I welcome them.
You need to sit down and read what I wrote.
If you believe that without Magic 2 Mirage F.1, depending on the Br without Super 530F as well would out do MiG-23 or F-5E FCU you have no Idea what you are talking about.
I only want you to deliver heavy hitter arguments.
F.1C without Magic 1 would not face vastly superior platforms in a full uptier.
Without Magic 2 it at 11.7 for example it would be quite comparable in ability to MiG-23MLD and others.
Just take a look at some of the aircraft at 11.7 and 11.3.
There are some brutal machines to find there.
The only reason Mirage F.1 is 12.0 is Magic 2 which is so good that, if F.1 is played carefully since it is decently fast and maneuverable at high speeds, one can get a lot of work done in it.
The flight performance is more comparable to aircraft far below it’s battle rating.
F-8E in a full uptier assuming Fm1C without Magic would be 11.7 instead of 11.3 would not have to fear engaging it. Same for Draken. MiG-21 could still fight it as well. Viggen C is 11.3 btw.
Mirage 2000C S4 is 12.3 while having some countermeasures more seemingly required S5 to be placed at 12.7.
F-18 also existst at 12.3 nowadays.
And then there are the 13.0 jets of course.
Take stock of the situation and tell me Mirage F.1 is not pushed as far as is reasonable?
That does not mean it is not good at 12.9 but having one of the 3 at 11.3 or 11.7 would make for quite the interesting gameplay and give a reason to play the F.1C or switch around between the variants.
Sunshine, your arguments have about as much polish as a sphere does a cutting edge. There is no heavy hitting here.
You are, at worst, dishonest. At best, you’re ill informed. I am not high and mighty, I am just on my last legs regarding swearing at people for ineptitude on the forums, and I really would rather not cross that line. I haven’t the patience for souls like you, and I never have.