Im aware of that, all that respond meant was it is actively missing them, and as mentioned above the reason why
You got a few things wrong there.
I would like to see Mirage F.1 at a lower Br without Magic 2.
Mirage F.1CT only can do buddy lasing.
So guided weapons on it would be cool but mostly useless.
Generally speaking, I think the best solution is to leave the planes as they are now and that we should instead add a new aircraft (F1-C early) with only Magic 1 and R530. This way everyone is happy, the gap between the Mirage III and the current F1 will be filled and the current aircraft remains in its current state. (I’ll do a suggestion next week)
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Seems like everyone forgot when the Mirage was the worst premium jet until it got Magic 2s
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You forget the timeline of the Mirage F1, because the premium literally did not exist until the F1CT had been introduced and both it and the F1C had already gotten Magic II (in heavily nerfed form, being little more than a Magic I with all aspect capability and no IRCCM).
In case you’re incapable of remembering things from before 6 months ago, let me elucidate you.
The Mirage F1C was introduced during the patch where the F-4E/F-4J lost terribly to the newly introduced and significantly overperforming MiG-23MLD, and the F1C (as a rough competitor to the F-4E) also had poor performance.
The subsequent update added the F-14A, which blew both the MiG-23MLD out of the water and annihilated the Mirage F1C. Between these two updates is when the Mirage F1C was given access to heavily nerfed Magic II in order to compensate for underperformance in flight and weapon systems, relative to vastly overperforming MiG-23ML, MLA and MLD in both weapon systems, flight performance and radar cross section.
Gen 4, and the Mirage F1C-200 are added next.
We can skip to when Magic II was given IRCCM with MiG-29SMT and F-16C were added, which now disproportionately buffed the Mirage F1C (and now F1C-200 and CT as they had been added) to the point where it annihilated any Gen 3 fighter in the game at the time. From then onward, it continued to be above all comparable Gen 3 aircraft due to the ability to guarantee two kills from almost all aspects within visual range.
None of the Mirage F1 variants are actually capable of competing at 12.0 when they’re faced with a Gen 4 aircraft. No proper Pulse Doppler radar, no CW seekers (and therefore chaff resistance) for their Fox 1 missiles, and mediocre flight performance. Their “saving grace” is having two missiles that vastly outperform and overtier the aircraft itself.
It should be obvious to anyone who has an an ounce of critical thinking that a fighter that is mostly used for bombing and then surprise attacks on mostly superior opponents at the same BR isn’t supposed to be there. Magic II is too strong for Mirage F1C and F1C-200 to actually properly fight things that it should fight.
Nah it got a full rework a few times…
Energy retention, engine n whatnot
The problem is that no solution is right for the Mirage F1. Mounting the aircraft in a BR would render it unusable, and removing the Magic 2s would be foolish, as they remain a historic loadout.
The only real solution (I think) would be to decompress the BRs, thus distancing it from the weakest aircraft it faces.
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mig23 stealth fighter?
Yes, actually.
For months when it had the wings swept back, the radar cross section would functionally disappear. An infuriating bug that greatly benefitted any MiG-23 player at the time. They gained the first-shot advantage over any other SARH slinger due to that.
Magic 1 would be just as historical for the base model.
It doesn’t matter if the Mirage F1CT suffers in air-to-air, it’s a strike aircraft after all.
This is the greatest loss for buddy lasing. CT just looks proper with laser guided payload 😿
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It would also help if anything this person claimed to be obvious regarding the Mirage F1’s capabilities were remotely correct.
At present, thanks to a number of changes to the platform and radar modeling as a whole, the Matra 530Fs are comfortable ignoring chaff as well MTI mode ignoring chaff provided your positioning is correct. This, coupled with the fixed FM and Magic 2s means it is quite a potent platform at 12.0, where the only real downside is a limited RWR and a radar with a short range (yet still long enough to utilise the 530s effectively). It is among the stronger 12.0 platforms for air to air, and the primary reason you see them bombing? There’s a premium equivalent which is almost entirely 1:1 and premiums at this BR tend to know only how to bomb, or haven’t the patience to learn to engage in air to air.
I used to agree that it was very mediocre at the rating, however, the multitude of changes have developed it into an exceptional platform with a few caveats you need to be cognisant of.
Did anyone actually read your rant?
The AIM-9G is also a histotical loadout for the F-16 and yet it has AIM-9Ls and then M
If you assume that you have to remove the weapons from an airplane to balance it, it may be that you first need to review the current balance in the game. The problem is really not that it has 2 missiles that are too powerful, the problem is that it faces less good airplanes in downtier, so decompression would be necessary.
And unless I’m mistaken, the Tornado (which is at the same Br and has a much better radar with much better radar missiles) is just as good, if not better, in air combat and yet no one wants to nerf it.
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I never said the F1 CT suffers in game, it’s a very good plane
It’s not about nerfing F.1.
It is about not having a aircraft practically cloned twice at the same Br.
You are way off tangent.
Tornado at the same BR has some issues that I would argue put it on parity. They’re both good platforms at the BR.
Problem is not that they want to nerf it. Problem is that they don’t want to learn to use it against the threats it faces and want it at a lower BR instead. Which would be resolved by providing an early version instead of taking a hatchet to what we’ve got. Apparently the fact that premiums tend to be almost 1:1 with a tech tree counterpart regarding air evades them.
As it is an exceptional platform at 12.0, it really would not do to have one or the other downgraded which would impact the enjoyment of either the parties who purchased the premium article or made their way through the tech tree. Easiest remedy would be an early version that can appeal to the souls who fail to grasp that it’s an exceptional plane at a quite comfortable BR, without hindering those who are fond of it where it is.
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Why “nerf” / clone/ whatever, when you can just bring a “premium” or event or both MF.1CG with 4x AIM-9P-4 and make it 11,3 (by current standards)?
I would like the Spanish Mirage F.1 also but in theory Br are adjustments are easier to get implemented.
What would be the issue with Mirage F.1C being at a lower Br without Magic 2?
It could be a beast at 11.3 or 11.7 depending wether or not you want to keep Mirage F.1CT and C-200 at 12.0 or.not.