Yeah sadly the only one that can be used with ground line up is the Narwhal or the Event one… which sucks. Which is dumb because the jabo is 7.0 and because it has 2 more guns … which are bad its an entire .3 higher.
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Most players in air rb operate at around 1-2 braincells, getting kills against air rb randoms cannot be the basis for the discussion of plane performance since you can do well against the average player even in vastly inferior planes simply because they don’t know how to play their planes.
The 262 is objectively the worst performing jet at its BR, that’s a fact by any hard metric you can pull up to support any real argument that isnt “i watched some guy on youtube get kills with it”.
The 262 was the first jet i really got into, and I’ve played over 800 matches in the basic A1a and the U4 (this was before the Jabo got introduced) and once i switched to an actually good jet like the f80 i instantly knew that i had been fighting an uphill battle against the planes performance the entire time. Night and day difference flying something that doesn’t struggle to perform. Now while that can be rewarding in its own way, it’s not a balance argument.
As for if it should go down? Probably not. It’s a shame the 6.7 version with two guns is so rare or we could see how well it performs there, but as it is moving things down only serves to push it into more fights with superprops where all it can ever realistically hope to achieve against a skilled opponent is a head-on attack (obviously to your disadvantage because of your guns).
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Hey there,
I am a average or below average Warthunder Air RB player, but I have enough experience since I am playing this game since 2016. The 7.0 Me 262 would indeed need a 6.7 BR, at least for the A1 Ground Spawn model. If you look at the Pulkzestörer variant with 50 mm at 6.7, you can analyze a little bit how it would perform at this BR, flight-performance wise. It can outrun almost every plane, which is a big plus. But you are mostly toast if you try to use excessive maneuvers to dogfight. It is still best at Boom and Zoom and purely as a strike aircraft. After each pass, however, you need a lot of set up to recover if you play against players with some experience, which at this BR are plenty… we are not talking about a BR of 3.0. He does only have a + against attentive pilots, he can bring them to the deck for other friendly players to snack them up. However, even with a airspawn, you will encounter some problems with aircraft that have an airspawn and/or can climb better and have a good energy retention. You could argue that the 50 mm is really tricky and the A1 would do better….but if it has no airspawn, and the 30 mm ballistics are really tricky going beyond 600km/h, which is the speed you want to have to make a safe pass. At those speeds, you need almost to go point blank in a straight line and that only happens if you have unresponsive players or players allready engaged in a fight. Also, the damage model is fragile…you need only a few .50 cals to leave you in a severe disadvantage. If I make a pass on a plane on the deck, i am mostly only safe from shots at 750 km/h. Even glancing shots can make you underperform on this plane. So yes, this would be a sensible solution.
After playing other aircraft at that BR, they suck in comparison.
It’s not that great honestly and the 7.0 lineup for Germany doesn’t exist for most players.
I started spading all of the me262s this week excluding the 50mm one as i have done that one already.
I found the matchmaking to not be in favour of the already mediocre Me262 A1 Jabo and A1U1
There are only 9 x 6.7 aircraft. Only 1-2 thats played consistently. Being the 2x spitfires. BI in there but an oddity. So the chance of a downtier is rare vs the chances of an uptier.
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Its more than capable at 8.0. Ive been one shot by those things in conquerors a lot
I wish that was true
More context was it a 1v1 or were you preoccupied fighting someone else?
Yeah the guns delete planes but they have the worst velocity. The amount lead you have to pull for someone 400m infront of is almost double other fighters.
Lucky to hit a plane at 600m in a tail chase
The 262 Polk is horrifically inaccurate and the 262 platform in general sucks.
Several occasions of my ammo being blown or all my turret getting wiped from a single shell. As for aircraft I kick the hell out of 262s in props easily. Just CAS being unbalanced and uncountered
The 50mm me262 gun has had an accuracy buff recently
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It is technically seen not a buff if they just reduced their nerf from some years ago.
Me262 is out-accelerated by the F80A5
Me262 is slower than F80A5 under 2.3 km, it is faster at 5km altitude by 20 whole km/h!
F80A accelerates slightly better
F80A turns significantly better except for instantenous turn at 700-785 km for massive GS and enormous SEP of -182 m/s - when both can barely proce acceleration around 2-3 m/s
This is just one comparison. Compare it with Su-11, F2H-2, F84B and it gets stupid.
It’s roughly comparable with the F80A but lacks any real speed or acceleration advantage to really dictate an engagement against the superior turning aircraft.
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Having stock to spaded all Me262s besides the 50mm, the past week.
Airspawn variants are by far the pick of the lot.
Me262 A1-a having to side climb to avoid the first wave of F84s and get to a reasonable alt to have enough energy match pretty much decided almost over.
Both C variants disliked alot. Yeah the rocket motor is good and can energy trap. But unable to capitalise on it fast enough, both struggle to turn and get guns on before opponent regains energy.
At all speeds trying to get the nose on target is such a pain. Felt atleast the A variants had much better nose authority.
Without a massive energy advantage its dead in the water. F80As, F2H, Su11s walk all over you, feels like david and goliath if locked in a 1v1 dogfight.
Only really good at 3rd partying and baiting for team mates. Players see Me262 and see an easy target will hunt you down.
Lack of abilty to do head on attacks without fear of combusting also very limiting.
Matchmaker for the 7.0-7.3 almost always uptiered to 8.0. C2B seeing 9.0 the one strength being energy traps but with faster missle slingers really takes that away from you.
C2B only excels vs players unaware of what it is when they try to energy trap you.
Need to fly Me262s perfect any slip up and youll be paying for it. Not sure i have felt more limited and outclassed vs planes at the same battle rating as i have flying the me262s.
I had way better time stock to spading Kikka, Sk60, A21 and J21 any other 7.0
I have had more fun flying bombers and will happily never fly these again.
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MiG-9 😌
For some reason it’s 7.3, even though it’s simply worse than the 9(l) 😄
So it’s practically a 7.0 Jet.
I think you need to cut a planes tail, or kill the pilot for a plane on the ground to be destroyed.
It’s of course funny that bombs can explode but not fuel tanks.
So the 50mm isn’t great in killing planes on the ground, compared to fast firing guns.
Since a plane without wings can still be repaired.
MiG-9 Early is not really worse than 262, sidegrade at worst (I am comparing it to the 7.0 262 though) MiG-9L is one of the best 7.3 jets.
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I have it and trust me it’s very underwhelming.
I fully agree, but it is also a matter of options.
I scored countless hits with the 2 AP rounds without even scoring a crit. I mean when i finally find a P-51 below me and am able to hit them in the wing it is more than disappointing that the guy continues flying as if nothing happened.
So center mass hits with HE work fantastic vs flying single engine fighters, but Tu-2s are somehow way tougher.
It would be great if the 6.3 Me 262 A-1/U4 would have an option to add R4Ms - those rockets work imho way better in such strafing runs.
I won the 6.7 Me 262 A-2a ages ago and won it again in the previous loot box round so i gave it a try.
It takes ages to get a feeling and becoming used to the MK 108s but the plane is not bad - it just takes a hell of efforts, patience and discipline to get any results.
The main problems are the performance gap vs 7.0 aircraft, the slow muzzle velocity and limited range of the MK 108s and the necessity to keep some of your team mates alive as you need a living team.
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Especially keeping your team alive is often a mission impossible if you have too many 262s in your team as most of them die early game.
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Yes, you can kill 7.0 planes, but they need to be distracted or make rookie mistakes in order to have a chance to kill them. If you face stuff like F-89s (which are somehow 7.0) with these bloody FFAR rockets you are doomed.
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The 0.3 BR reduction is imho not relevant as you face partial uptiers in most of your matches and in case you have a full downtier you face 5.7 sweatlords in Yak-3Us & VK 107s and the 6.7 counterparts in J6K & Spit F Mk 24s at the same time.
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Fantastic - those guys know how to fight jets so you will often just get tankers in US aircraft or (like described earlier) you need a map without Rolands to say “hello” on the forward enemy airfield.
Regarding results:
Imho most of the matches up to 7.3 are decided by JP and UK props - and not by the involved jets. As soon as a few experienced guys in 7.0/7.3 US/UK jets are in the lobby they decide the outcome. Su-9/11s and Yak-15/17 flown by very good pilots are rather rare to see.
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