Yes. Why in the everliving fk is a su34 13.7 in air rb but a su30mk2 is 13.3? The su34 maybe (but idk i dont spend 70 € on digital vehicles just bc they are op for 4 months) has a better radar?
But thats about it. the su34 is a fking boat. loses all speed in a 90° turn. Doesnt have hmd. Same fox 3s afaik and same amount. The su 34 is way heavier for having slightly more powerful enignes. It doesnt climb it doesnt turn it isnt fast, all it has is a very good radar for that BR. And thats not saying the su34 is “Bad” at 13.7. It is actually usable, mainly thanks to its very strong radar and thus awareness…But the premium su30s are better at almost everything and sit lower? If anyone can make any sense of this, feel welcome to do so. (not as if we all already know exactly why it is how it is: Gaijin caring more about some sweet sweet moneys than for a balanced game and good match quality, and the cycle repeats itself: pay insane amounts for op vehicles, or just dont play that BR range. GL if you have to/want to cross certain BR ranges f2p…i feel for you)
SPO-15 really isn’t that bad
plus you get MAW and lots of large calibre CMs
? a sentence sometimes works wonders in understanding statements. i said su34 has a better radar. and thats it. Probably also better rwr. Doesnt have hmd though which is equally much of a disadvantage, especially with a flight model like the su34 has. Either youre very good with manual radar controls or forget about ever jousting vs a hmd equipped enemy at closer than 10 km
Gaijin probably feels having a TWS ESA capable radar should not be at 13.3. Kfir C.10 is there despite having said radar due to its low missile count of 4.
Having 8x R77s/R27ERs with the best RU radar until the Su 30s at 13.3 would result in even more Russian bias accusations lol
True. thats why my point aint that the su34 should go down. Besides general decompression (a mantra that will probably follow us for the next 10 years) it is fine where it is. Even if its a fighter/bomber that gets outpaced to any base by zombing premium nerds in their 70€ su30. But that these su30s should go up? Since its blatantly better than the su34, at literally everything that is relevant for air rb (completely different story for ground rb tho). Except awareness.
Well, unless clearly theres already enough balance and clearly the su34 is so much better for air rb that it is justified to sit 0.3 higher than these su30s? i just cant see where exactly that should be the case? Because it can bomb bases? yeah…big news everyone, premium fighters can reach said bases 2 minutes quicker than you, and while they would do much better in fighting off enemy jets to win the match, thats what 50% of players playing them actually use them for. Making it a real breeze to spade a su34 or actually playing any ground attacker…
The root cause of the issue isn’t the Premium Su30s being too low BR.
It’s actually BR Compression.
If you work from 14.7 down to 13.3. You’ll find that the Premium Su30s are exactly where they belong.
Let’s take Su-30SM2, which is 14.7.
Since Su-30SM is worse than it, it’s rightfully 14.3.
Working down to 14.0, the defining missile bus is the F-15E. Which doesn’t have as good a radar as Su-30SM, but has insane thrust so it’s rightfully 14.0.
Then where do we put the Su-27SM. It doesn’t have the acceleration or top speed of the F-15E, and it’s radar is slightly below F15Es radar performance. So 13.7 is fair for it.
Similarly, the F-15C is inferior to the F-15E, so putting it 1 BR step down also makes sense.
Now we move to the Premium Su30s, which are inferior to the Su-27SM. So the only BR step down is 13.3.
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I don’t think it fits the fox 3 slinging meta, but I also don’t disagree that it should go up specially since it’s foldered with the J-11, it’s better to skip to the 11B anyway
Blame Gaijin for compressing 13.0 to 14.7 to absolute hell.
It should be 16.0 at least… Rafale was introduced at 14.0…
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i mean yeah, i agree. But still why are worse planes at a higher br than the su30s if the su 30s arent too low? and those worse planes cant be at the br those su30s are because of one single thing they have going for them? Sure, with decompression you could work out a more suitable spot for other planes fighting them, their positions would still be switched, unrelated to where they are atm.
The problem with that comparison is people tend to compare to F16s, which have better FM.
The Su30s more accurate comparison are the missile buses like the F-15s / Su-27SM / J-11B/A.
Yeah, but i mean thats rly a kinda old thing now no? One has amount of ordinance and is a missile bus, the other like f16s and even more into that direction, the gripens excel in flight model, countermeasure amount and defensive flying making the others waste their ordinance. imo thats a somewhat fair matchup. But still those su30s excel in their missile bus role above planes that sit higher than it? Not through volume of fire, its exactly the same, but through flight model making it so each of those fired missiles is way more deadly, it doesnt have to fully recommit, and its also not at 700 kph after one turn.
Plus its even better in the actual role of these slower bombers because its faster. and not by a tiny bit. Its not even only misbalanced compared to other tech trees or jets with completely different playstyles. its misbalanced compared to very similar jets in its own tech tree.
Not necessarily. Su30s need to win before the merge. If they fail to do so, it’s over for the extremely heavy Su30 with its weak engines.
If you would be fighting su30 vs su34?
Vs f16/gripen ofc. i agreed to that already. Thats why the su30 vs certain f16s/gripens comparison is viable. Some excell at evading/turning in and out of a notch and chaffing for 10 min straight, retaining their speed or the resulting gun dogfight should it come to that, the other excells at offensively supressing half the enemy team.
Its the su34/su30 comparison where that whole thing lacks massively. And, ofc, that whole range being way too close to BR ranges of only planes with severely worse capabilities. Dragging them up in 90% of their matches because everyone and their mom wants to play the newest broken jet.
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Su34 can use R27ER to win. McM is an option too since it has PESA radar.
I also forgot, Su34 can mount 8x R27ETs due to its unique pylon setups which is extremely nasty.
I checked, am carrying 4 R77s, 2 ERs and 2ETs
? and why cant the su30 use R27er???its got the exact same possible missile loadouts? McM??? if you waste all your missiles for a bit of position vs one of 20 enemy jets youre dead in the water…while that jet doesnt need to mcm at all because its got the flight performance to notch more than once. and then easily beat you in any possible dogfight scenario after you threw away all missiles.
true. its funny in that regard. but why would you sacrifice fox 3s for le funny long range ir missile that gets one-flared?
Su34 has much better radar for relock after IOG phase. If you’re bringing up 20x other jets, Su34 has better RWR for superior situational awareness.
If you don’t know how to use R27ETs properly then it’s the fault of the pilot.
People turn fight Zeroes in their P-51s and somehow Zeroes get nerfed…
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Once again, its got no hmd, that the su30 has. RWR? seems decent yes, but i got slapped numerous times with 1 or two seconds rwr warning because the missile wasnt exactly in a flat plane towards the jet but came slightly from above or idk from where. You consantly have to roll around to cover any angles above and below. The ones it detects you get an accurate direction, thats true, but you never know if any are incoming from the seemingly massive blindspots. but thats probably the same or worse for the su30s.
I know how to use r27ets. They are a nice gimmick. But not worth sacrificing all fox 3s for more of them. I struggle with the zero reference, help me out with that one…
It’s not the plane fault that people use it wrongly.
But we definitely do not need a PESA Radar with 10x missile loadout at 13.3.
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