Should Pantsir be nerf?

because it has 2 of them, and the aim 9L are just better than the r60m… not to mention the better flight performance of the f16, rwr and radar

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Yea its pretty trash line, I have literally not researched a single AA vehicle in Israeli tree. I only really want the Machbet, but aint researching all that just for it.

Now that I am complaining, they should fix Merkava and Namer armour, its ludicrous how Namer is still at >64 tons yet armour is less than a light tanks.

They do not miss their target. It’s a free kill. I’d know since I love the damn things.

Sure, but what does it matter when the enemy doesn’t see them either way? The only way they’re ever going to hit anything is when it’s distracted.

Not from my experience. The Mig-29 reliably outturns the F-16 and outruns them. The Mig-29 is also getting a Cobra button lol

Radar on the F-16A is effectively pointless without radar missiles.

I have them all. The Machbet is nice, but I wish they’d give it the APDS it needs.

It’s modeled in-game, but only for a Japanese boat.

I have a lot of posts made for those already. Feel free to go and support them :)

Never managed outturn F-16 in MiG-29. Like also when I look on statshark graphs so you must be lucky or opponent made mistakes.

I’ve never been caught by an F-16 while running from my experience. Then again, maybe the German ones just have better engines, idk.

German one weight less compared to 9.13. And even 9.12 is still worse than F-16.

do you realize that the r27er can be notched?

it does matter specially if you target distracted enemies where the range of the missile is actually more important that anything else

it doesnt, it can just out run but the f16 specially the a has much better turn performance

well and it is a lower br thanks to that

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No, don’t nerf the pantsir.

Make other nations equivalent. God knows gaijin isn’t alergic to copy-paste so do it that way if you have to.

What cannot continue is the intolerable dominance of air over ground. It’s insufferable and needs to change.

It’s quite frankly stupid and a complete failure of game design and management that it hasn’t been addressed in this long.

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That’s the point, plenty of times you won’t even have to deal with AAs due to terrain limitations and nature of SACLOS missiles. KH slingers aren’t hard to deal with on their own.

Drop down to cover ?
Our maps aren’t a plate where you have unobstructed LoS to the edge of the map.

I don’t think Stingers and Strela have nearly enough range to challenge 12.7 air.

But their mode of operation is much better, as breaking LoS with AAs on the ground is easier than it is to do the same thing but with fast approaching missile.
One of the reasons why we need ARH AAs.

My KD in them aren’t perfect, but I usually had more issues with Fox-3 than an F-16A lmao

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No one does it, and when that rare opponent does, I can just counter their notch.

I never really noticed the range difference since I usually only use IR missiles while I’m significantly higher above them. It gives the missiles more energy and comes from a common blindspot.

I usually just pull out the Airbrake for it. My buddy has an F-16C and he loves to drag me into customs to use it. He’s seldom outperformed me in it. In live matches, I’ve also never ended up being beaten by an F-16 in a turnfight either.

Yeah, but only slightly.

And Israel doesn’t get that luxury despite not having radar missiles either.

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Gaijin logic is python3=9m

You said you can’t ignore them at any moment.

into what? 2S38? Gepards?

Many of them are.

Sure they do. I run my Gepard 1A2 all the time with my FlaRakRad and it does extremely well. People don’t expect IR missiles as much as Radar ones.

I love my Strela-10. My most favourite SAM system. To 5 km absolute death zone.

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Like Soviet main I would like to have Strela-10M4 with thermal and 9K333. I know that we dont need that but still :D

That’s what you said and I’m trying to tell you how easily you can ignore AAs by utilizing LoS limitations.

Behind a hill ?
Not like many maps aren’t bowl shaped with high terrain all around the ground battlefield.

Many offer you ample hard cover and some are basically shaped like a bowl, where you can break LoS at like 2-3km away which is funny.

This is why helicopters are almost impossible to kill, as they can just pop out behind a hill and retreat instantly.

They surely don’t as their maximum range is like 3-5km and aircraft at top tier can outrange them multiple times.

People misusing their equipment is a whole different story.

Then put that into practice. My survival rate is extremely high in CAS. Hills do not exist in such quantity to be used as the basis of your gameplan in every match.

I don’t find helicopters hard to kill. Nearly all of them have to stay within line of sight to aim at you and they can’t move their helicopter much due to sight limitations.

If a jet passes over you, it’s dead. There are no missile warnings for IR missiles in Ground RB unless you have an MAW.

Even MAW wont help if you have photocontrast.

I assume you mean the Strela’s weird mode and I don’t know how to use it or what it even really does. I haven’t played the Strela much.

All I know is it supposedly does well against Helicopters.