i’d say nerfing pantsir now is not the way forward. KH38 are a bigger issue for the time being.
CAS (especially russian one, and more recently france) has been enjoying long range F&F for far too long, it’s time for SPAA to get F&F VLS as well. Gaijin has already confirmed they are working on multi vehicle SAM sites, and i wouldn’t be surprised if april fools is centered around long range SAMs anti radiation missiles
i would hope everyone get their medium range SAMs in the same patch, but if they don’t the order should be (from the first to receive a new AA to the last)
Italy
Israel
Japan
US
UK
Germany
China
Sweden
France
Russia
what’s good about multiple vehicle SAMs is that they give options in terms of range, starting from as little as 20km to a few hundreds for the bigger ones, and they are an order of magnitude harder to defeat, since longer range ones are usually fox3s with large seeker heads following an almost ballistic trajectory (falling from the top)
“Decent MBT” LMAO , how bad of a take a human can make , the only nation that can be considered worse than UK is italy and that is still arguable. ADATS is peak bad , stop the yapping , you clearly don’t know what you talking about
Did i say that or it is noamax with the copium that he can’t come up with anything worth talking
Better than nothing what ? Better at being useless for a minor nation that barely anyone play cause of the horrible top tier line up ?
Japan doesn’t suffer lmao , their MBT with their mobility alone out match your Merk. Their Air top tier is also not even bad. They don’t suffer just lack new vehicle
Damn bro literally who care , you still a bad player with bad take , talk about stuff you don’t own or you don’t play. You act like you know but the moment you said British MBT are good everything else you offer me have no value. No wonder nothing get done on this forum , because people like you never try to listen to what other have to say
I meant in general they lack spaa and good cas
Also thx for showing me u are a merkava hater(political reasons?) ur opinion isnt valid
Chally is better then merkava just bcuz of the armor and u have a skill issue with the adats its not that bad i just got 7 air kills yesterday only probem with it its range
Lamo the forums screems on this unblanced sh*t wdym who cares every week u have new 5 russian bias threads
Russia dominates in top tier and we are sick of it
Not even close because you fight with friends against op team with communication. I think you don’t fight against op team with randoms and against jets that is dropping bombs on top of your pantsir.
Why do we need anti radiation missiles when 90% of CAS players are using AGM-65/KH-38 as their stand off missile to destroy SAMS.
Adding longer range SAMS do not work on aircraft manoeuvring low to the ground.
We have SHORAD and SHORAD as in Pantsir/ITO-90 are the best platforms for this task.
Patriot, IRIS-T SLM, ASRAAM launcher and S-300 are all weak in this capacity.
Pantsir makes me fly at 9000 meters to avoid its missiles.
YO! Love seeing these posts.
We need at least 20km effective range for everyone, not 16km of Pantsir, 20km of SPYDER’s Python 5s for example.
I find the Challenger 2s easy to play myself. No need to insult others just cause they have a different perspective than you.
@T4T
Best CAS in War Thunder: F-15E, F-16C, Su-30SM, Mirage 2000DRMV, Rafale, and Su-34.
Pantsir isn’t on the side of all of those, so… your post is just wrong.
You’re right, the Rafale Mirage combo is superior as they have superior flight performance to the Sukhois while having slightly superior air to ground weapons.
The Rafale can also bring 6x MICA EMs with that loadout.
And the F-15E F-16C combo is as good cause it’s also a fighter striker combo, both having superior flight performance than the Sukhois, and F-15E having a larger kit that can take out up to 6 MBTs and an unknown amount of SPAA with the 20 glide bombs.
He’s not troll it the fact and he’s right about it
Pantsir covering those KH-38 slinger mean CAP can’t have altitude advantage over them and it’s a big advantage and RU alone can have altitude advantage over the other without worry about other SPAA since it can’t even reach combine with KH 38 range the only effective way to stop KH-38 slinger scum is to air spawn camping them
sound f up? yeah because it is.
1: this does not work against long range SAMs. An aircraft using those to fight state of the art SAMs would get eaten alive, i don’t really know how else to put it
2 : in order to fire a kh38 or agm65 you have to see the SAM site. In order to fire an anti rad missile, you also have to let your RWR get a signal. In any case, you have to get pinged by the SAMs radar at least once. The thing is, these long range SAMs don’t work the regular “missile goes upward” like we are used to in game. You better see it as a mix between the fox 3 we currently have and a ballistic missile, it lofts, but much higher. Those missiles also have a longer range on their own seeker, since they usually have more powerful seekers (they are bigger than a usual air to air missile). Finally they are fired vertically : that and the lofting mentionned earlier means that they arrive from the top when targetting an aircraft maneuvering near the ground. Your only hope as an aircraft to defend those is to brutally change trajectory so the missile does not look in the right place after being on IOG for a while, and that only works from afar mind you. The efficiency of ground hugging will also depend on Gaijin’s ability to model Earth’s curvature, so that remains to be seen
Range scales with efficacy, a Patriot PAC 3 effectiveness drops off the lower and faster the aircraft flies.
This is why Patriot has only been really effective at sniping high flying aircraft and slow moving missiles/drones
Yes missiles go up and come down but they are easier to defeat than a system like a Pantsir designed for that exact role. NATO doctrinally expects to control the air so SHORAD isn’t critical to how NATO operates.
HARMS can be programmed in a multitude of ways, GPS for fixed emplacements or AR mode.
of course, but not to the same extent as a Shorad.
At very long ranges, A SAM will usually drop down from high altitude, converting it’s gravitational potential energy into kinetic energy. The speed of the missile would be limited and it would be possible to defeat, but you can’t just forget about it and fly in a straight line. By “long range” i mean anywhere in between 50 and 200 km depending on the system. That’s already well outside of the best AGMs we currently have in game.
Even a SU30 with KH38 would stand 0 chance against those.
i don’t know where you get that from really
i would expect the opposite. Longer range missiles have a similar or better agility than 95Ya6, are not saclos, have bigger warheads and a bigger trigger radius. They also keep their agility for far longer. Pantsir missile burns for 2-3s, long range SAMs burn for far longer than that.
As for HARMs, it’s also necessary to remember that they can be shot down. As for aiming them with GPS, it could work but would lower your chances of it, since the precise coordinates of the radar aren’t known before launching (in game in mean)