Should Pantsir be nerf?

I have both so I can compare.

I can say for certain, however, that the Magic 2 is not comparable to the R-73.

Python 3 have the same flare ressitance and even less then 9l due to large seeker
Also while p3 is better 9l has more range so overall this shouldnt effect a br diffrance

Yes f4 against f15c with fox 3 very fair

Thst bcuz of missile count and its 12.7(the s4)
The s5 is 13.0

Python 3/L have the same good flare resistance, both of which are superior to all rear-aspect missiles in the game.
And there is no BR difference, there are no 12.0 AIM-9L aircraft of Kurnass 2000’s capabilities.
Now, there’s arguably F-111C at 11.7, but I doubt you’ll be arguing they’re equals as the community in general has written off the improved Aardvarks.

I did because you made a statement that was deceptive and not factual. You made a claim that your method was better, so I wanted to see if it was, and to my surprise, you’re nearly negative in all aircraft at high tier for CAS.

I did not insult you for having worse stats, but you made a claim which was untrue and I told you so.

I compared your CAS experience because you said yours was better. I only returned the favor. Of course, feel free to prove me wrong if I am, but I know you won’t show your stat card like I did.

Yet you stated your tactics were better. That’s what you said.

Like R-73 turns better but they are pretty comparable. I am looking on statshark.

Again larger seeker=most likely to see flare even if it closer
But anyway p3 arent justification for a br raise not for the k2k and not for the netz as well
Now its off topic so im stoping here

The Magic 2 is a countermeasure-resistant missile while the R-73 is a thrust-vectoring missile with horrible countermeasure performance.

The main difference is that the R-73 provides the unique benefit of being exceptional at jumping players from unexpected locations in situations where most missiles cannot be effective.

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± I agree with that.

And you should know that the R-73 is the main reason why the Mig-29G in Germany is 13.0 and not the same BR as the 12.7 Mig-29.

The missile alone justifies the BR increase over a standard R-60M.

Like I know how powerful R-73 can be :D

It’s kinda terrible these days. I can usually just dump a single flare to get them off my tail. They’re not nearly as resistant as they used to be when first added to aircraft.

No, but the Kurnass 2000 is a worse platform than the F-16A and shares a similar IR missile performance. And the F-16A is already considered poor by most people.

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So you can understand why a plane as fast and potent as the Mig-23, which also gets R-24R missiles would end up being about 12.7 if that happened.

They have the same IRCCM, Gatewidth with a 0.75° view.

I can tell you from experience that they do not handle flares the same.

The R-73 is extremely easy to flare. The Magic 2 can be very resistant.

there isnt much of a reason for that, the mig 21 bison is 12.3 with a better radar and similar missiles.

similar, but less and slower.

Like it would have ± same armament and better flying performance like MiG-21bison but worse avionics and much less countermeasures. Also 21bison then should go to 12.7.

I have AA experience and had experienced LoS issues frequently. As I said, both sides of the engagement can easily see this.
Why should I show my stat card ? It’s a publicly available information and anyone interested can do it for themselves.

That isn’t my tactic and no, I argued that your claim that AAs will constantly breathe down your neck is false, as LoS is a mechanic in the game that can easily be achieved on our maps.